Who was Greater? Wilder or Zhang

[hugh grant]

What? How do you make that determination? Fury, not known for hitting hard by casuals actually carried a decent KO percentage and, because of his size when he sat down on his shots, they did damage. Wilder was perhaps one of the hardest hitters in the sport... to some, one of the hardest hitters ever. They are both heavyweights.

You do not think fighting twice, catching each other repeatedly would not cause damage?

Sometimes I hear people, I'm not sure they're boxing fans, say having wars make you past prime? But others have opinion it makes you battle hardened and prepared, and not untested and green.
I mean some tried taking gloss of pac s win over barrera, citing barrera had wars with morales? But maybe those wars gave barrera experience, not forget to take into account barrera was coming off 8 win streak.
But sure, too many wars can shorten a career, you wouldn't want too many.

[billeau2]

Sometimes I hear people, I'm not sure they're boxing fans, say having wars make you past prime? But others have opinion it makes you battle hardened and prepared, and not untested and green.
I mean some tried taking gloss of pac s win over barrera, citing barrera had wars with morales? But maybe those wars gave barrera experience, not forget to take into account barrera was coming off 8 win streak.
But sure, too many wars can shorten a career, you wouldn't want too many.

Pac and Barrera are not heavyweights. The speed that a man of over 170 pounds can generate is in a different category entirely, much less a heavyweight. Now, fighters used to have more defensive skills, that much is true. But Wilder and Fury really touched each other up...

[billeau2]

They fought 3x.

And in the 3rd Fight, Fury had to get up off the canvas 2x.

There is NO shame in losing to the best fighter in the division at the time.

And no, Usyk did not win both fights by that much, and the official cards & Compubox stats reflect as much.

Just say you hate Fury & or Wilder & be done with it.

He almost got knocked out by Francis Ngannou, who AJ just bludgeoned in short order, after Usyk had made HIM look ****** 2x.

He was absolutely past his prime by the time he got to Usyk.

Fact is Usyk, out of his OWN MOUTH said Fury was the best fighter he EVER fought.

He doesn't think he easily beat Fury, but you know better???

Duhgum thinks that there is some level of competition that Fury, Wilder and Ortiz missed... Even though between them they fought an average of the same fighters... and usually did better. Chisora, beat by Fury... But but but Wilder never fought him! lol, you cannot make this up...

[champion4ever]

Wilder and fury can't have been that good to allow one fighter to take so much out of them. Fury hardly took much punches.

I agree that Wilder got the worst end of it. He absorbed more punishment than Fury had in that trilogy. Deontay's lack of boxing ability really hurt him in that match up.

Fury aside from the four knockdowns hardly absorbed any real punishment at all in those three bouts. While Wilder on the other hand, lacked any real defense to avoid Tyson's punches.

[STREET CLEANER]

Wilder top 10(Ring) opponents: 3-4-1 with wins over stiverne and ortiz twice

Zhang top 10(Ring) opponents: 3-3 with wins over wilder and joyce twice

Wilder. Because he continues to live rent free in your head.

[Willow The Wisp]

Who was Greater; Wilder or Zhang?

Well, thanks for your question. I'm always delighted to help out a peripheral level fan who's dipping his toe into boxing history!

Um.....Wilder, by a nose.

The current era is 2015 - 2025

1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 24-0-0 (14)
2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-0. (16)
13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
14.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15)
15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
16.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)
17.Alexander Povetkin, Russia 36-3-1 (25)
18.Kubrat Pulev, Bulgaria 32-3-0 (14)
19.Filip Hrgovic, Croatia 17-1-0 (14)
20.Charles Martin, USA 30-4-1 (27)
21.Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17)
22.Carlos Takam, Cameroon 40-8-1 (28)
23.Johann Duhaupas, France 39-7-0 (26)
24.Robert Helenius, Finland 32-5-0 (21)
25.Otto Wallin, Sweden 27-3-0 (15)
26.Bryant Jennings, USA 25-4-0 (14)2
27.Frank Sanchez, Cuba 25-1-0 (17)
28.Bermane Stiverne, Haiti 25-6-1 (21)
29.Efe Ajagba, Nigeria 20-1-0 (14)
30.Chris Arreola, USA 39-7-4 (31)
31.Michael Hunter, USA 24-1-2 (17)
32.Moses Itauma, England 11-0-0 (9)
33.Hughie Fury, England 29-3-0 (16)
34.Richard Torrez, USA 12-0-0 (11)
35.Jared Anderson, USA 18-1-0 (15)
36.Bakhodir Jalolov, Uzbek 14-0-0 (14)
37.Tony Yoka, France 13-3-0 (11)
38.Murat Gassiev, Armenia 31-2-0 (24)
39.Aleksandr Ustinov, Russia 36-6-1 (27)
40.Lucas Browne, Australia 31-6-0 (27)
41.Dominic Breazeale, USA 20-3-0 (18)
42.Gerald Washington, USA 20-6-1 (13)
43.Frazier Clarke, England 8-1-1 (6)
44.Jermain Franklin, USA 23-2-0 (15)
45.Lenier Pero, Cuba 11-0-0 (8)
46.David Haye, England 28-4-0 (26)
47.Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ukraine 21-1-1 (13)
48.Ruslan Chagaev, Uzbekistan 34-3-1 (21)
49.Guido Vianello, Italy 13-2-1 (11)
50.Arslanbek Makhmudov, Russia 19-2-0 (18)
51.Lawrence Okolie, England 21-1-0(16)
52.Tom Schwarz, Germany 29-1-0 (20)
53.Adam Kownacki, Poland 20-4-0 (15)
54.Justis Huni, Australia 12-0-0 (7)
55.David Allen, England 23-7-2 (18)
56.Trevor Bryant, USA 22-2-0 (15)
57.Artur Szpilka, Poland 24-5-0 (16)
58.Oscar Rivas, Colombia 28-1-0 (19)
59.Petar Milas, Croatia 17-1-0 (13)
60.Demsey McKean, Australia 22-2-0 (14)
61.Alexander Dimitrenko, Ukraine 41-6-0 (26)
62.Kevin Lerena, South Africa 30-3-0 (14)
63.Umut Camkiran, Turkey 23-0-0 (21)
64.Tomasz Adamek, Poland 53-6-0 (31)
65.Francesco Pianeta, Italy 35-5-1 (21)
66.Sam Sexton, England 24-4-0 (9)
67.Joseph Goodall, Australia 11-2-1 (10)
68.Stephan Shaw, USA 20-2-0 (15)
69.Johnathan Guidry, USA 21-1-2 (13)
70.Mahmoud Charr, Syria 34-5-0 (20)
71.Amir Mansour, USA 23-4-1 (16)
72.Ali Eren Demirezen, Turkey 17-1-0 (12)
73.Vladyslav Sirenko, Ukraine 22-0-0 (19)
74.Travis Kauffman, USA 32-4-0 (23)
75.Mariusz Wach, Poland 38-11-0 (20)
76.Simon Kean, Canada 23-2-0 (21)
77.Ryad Merhy, Côte D’Ivoire. 33-3-0 (27)
78.Christian Hammer, Romania 27-12-0 (17)
79.Izuagbe Ugonoh, Poland 18-2-0 (15)
80.Malik Scott, USA 38-3-1 (13)
81.Erkan Teper, Germany 21-4-1 (13)
82.Eric Molina, USA 29-9-0 (21)
83.Hemi Ahio, New Zealand 23-1-0 (17)
84.David Price, England 27-7-0 (20)
85.Cassius Chaney, USA 23-2-0 (16)
86.Sergey Kuzmin, Russia 19-2-0 (14)
87.Tony Thompson, USA 40-7-0 (27)
88.David Adeleye, England 13-1-0 (12)
89.Johnathan Rice, USA 16-6-1 (11)
90.Herve Hubeaux, Belgium 33-3-0 (14)
91.Ivan Dychko, Kazakhstan 14-0-0 (13)
92.Francis Ngannou, Cameroon 18-5-0
(13)* (Record includes boxing against MMA fighters).
93.Lukasz Rozanski, Poland 15-1-0 (14)
94.Junior Fa, New Zealand 20-3-0 (11)
95.Alex Leapai, Samoa 32-8-4 (26)
96.George Arias, Dominican Rep 18-1-1 (7)
97.Nelson Hysa, Albania 20-0-0 (18)
98.Dillon Carman, Canada 14-6-0 (13)
99.Razvan Cojanu, Romania 17-7-0 (9)
100.Nathan Gorman, England 19-3-0 (13)

[champion4ever]

Daggum refuses to understand this and forever creates these nonsensical threads. Like it was not totally obvious that Wilder post Fury was shot to shiat.

I know. This guy's a real clown or a troll. He often makes up these bullshit threads in order to discredit Deontay Wilder's boxing career achievements inside the ring. He is a real Wilder hater.

It's more likely than not that he is probably an administrator or a mod on this forum. However, I just don't understand why he remains so fixated on Deontay Wilder; Who's retired and career has not been relevant in years?

What fighter who is in their right goddamned mind would duck another or any fighter if the money was right? After all, it is called prizefighting for a reason.

It's all about making the most amount of money as soon as you can and as much as you can. It's the reason why these gladiators put their lives on the line for our entertainment.

The only prizefighter in the history of boxing I knew who ran away from money is Saul Canelo Alvarez.

[PRvazquez]

Easy ! Wilder is greater ! Mofos be obsessed with the man. Zhang was better than Wilder when they faced each other . It happens . This is boxing

[-Kev-]

Usyk?

Wilders size wasn't the issue, it was his lack of skill. He was a quick fighter with monster power, but he was also ignorant, thick headed and stubborn.

Wilders downfall was caused by himself not a lack of size.

I implore you to re-read my post. I will copy and paste the part I want you to read:

“He’s isn’t technically very good like Usyk who can afford to fight bigger fighters because he’s technically that great.”

I clearly mentioned Wilder’s lack of technical skills and even mentioned Usyk as an example of a smaller HW with skills great enough to beat the bigger men.

[Raggamuffin]

but to be honest, joshua is a much better fighter and more skilled than wilder and zhang.

He was trash in his biggest fights lol….