Who was Greater? Wilder or Zhang

[daggum]

both are the same... wilder got lucky and fought a bunch of cans early on which makes him look better than he really is... soon as he fought someone that can fight, he took an L... and for zhang, same shiiet... he got lucky beating on cans, soon as he stepped up on comp, took an L.

That wasn't luck. That was planned career building by matching him with soft pbc opponents and marketing him as biggest puncher ever. Laughable of course

[BoxOfficer]

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought

Perfectly stated. I couldn't have said it any better.

I wanted to reply the e-diott, something i really don't like doing, and then, I saw your reply.

[billeau2]

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought

But thats just it Duhgum... I am not a fan of Wilders. Besides who else did I say was "shot?" Let me ask you this, is Zhang shot? I did not see the fight but it is entirely possible. Fighters change, they enter periods of time where they jell, need to retire, etc...

When you analyze data from multiple sources, which is what fans with some knowledge and understanding do... You have to account for events realistically. Rankings are the worse form of data because they are based on the interests of the boxing organizations. You refuse to see these points as valid. Anyone with common sense can see Wilder was severely lacking... He looked a little less motivated against Parker, all praises to Parker who won a decent scrap, but he looked dead in the water against Zhang. If you really look carefully he hesitates against Parker, which could be because Parker outboxed him...

Prime Wilder is obvious from the following:

Common opponents between him and Joshua (Breazeale) as a point of reference. I hate triangle theory but is gives us some point of reference that tells us Wilders other fights were part of the same gaggle of weak opponents Joshua faced.
His fights with Fury
His dominance using his punch coming up.
You can take it one step further and look at Fury who beat Klitsko in a master class, while Joshua went life and death with an older Vlad... The same Fury who fought Wilder.

As much as I hate using common opposition it serves to show how ridiculous your arguments are... Anyone who reads the above and understands logic will understand the correlations here... which serve to buttress the fact Wilder was an amazing puncher. Hear that Boxoffice?

[billeau2]

Perfectly stated. I couldn't have said it any better.

I wanted to reply the e-diott, something i really don't like doing, and then, I saw your reply.

Except I am not a fan of Wilder's anymore than Joshua. I have given static to Bum Squad goons when they were ridiculous. Your hiding behind a paper mache target lol. Why don't you respond to the post I replied with? Better to hide behind the dunce?

[billeau2]

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought

By the way: who else did I say was shot? Not Ortiz... I really never claimed Fury lost any fights to Usyk because he was shot... I only said he came in looking like crap... So please back up this accusation duhgum?

[ELPacman]

For entertainment, Wilder and it isn't even close.

[champion4ever]

Who did he defend it against? Literally only beat 1 top 10 guy. 10 defenses and only 1 top 10 win is proof he was matched soft but yet you can't see that? Also when Wilder finally stepped up he got dusted in 5 straight fights. That's more proof he wasn't very good. Ali beat 35 top 10 opponents so when he lost to guys like Holmes and Berbick he had a resume to fall back on. Wilder had soft title defenses in a 4 belt era yawn

So who fault was that? He fought whomever was available to him at the time. He wanted the big fights. Both Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker, Andy Ruiz, Dillian Whyte, Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko all ducked this guy.

It was for a very good reason. It was because he was that damn good. Only Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury had the courage to fight him at the time. While the other contenders, champions and titleholders all ran and ducked for cover from him.

A prime Deontay Wilder whups and stomp kicks the living shit out of all their asses. Which Includes Zhang as well and you know it.

[nghtmr111]

To sit here and say Wilder wasn't a shot fighter by the time he fought Zhang is absolutely ridiculous. I'm surprised anyone actually considers that a good win for Zhang. A good name on his resume? Yes. A good quality win? **** no.

Wilder... Battered by Fury in two of 3 fights. A knockout win over Robert Helenius (Which did not prove anything). Battered by Parker in a one sided fight prior to Zhang.

Did Zhang beat a prime Wilder? Not at all. Wilder was 39 (Yes I know Zhang's older too but never was in any war).

Zhang's win over Wilder does not prove he is better and would've won 3-5 years ago.

[billeau2]

Fury was terrible in the first fight lol. Best version? Wilder literally admits to cherry picking an out of shape rusty fury in an interview. Fury kncoked out wilder in both subsequent fights and you are using that as a positive? Usyk also won both fights 8-4 9-3. Barely? Fury was coming off of wins over chisora and whyte. He was not shopworn. He just lost.

You don't really "get" different aspects of a competative fight do you? Wilder had Fury down multiple times in the series of fights... Which means he very easily could have won... Fury was ot out of shape that first fight, watch the fight! Just ask Usyk... You claim to know more than he does? He says Fury was his biggest test, despite being ridiculed by Fury... Usk unlike you, is being objective. Yes Fury lost... What of it? the fights were competative.

you claim I am fair weather regarding fighters but when the fighters claim something you gaslight them. You also fail to see how when we look at Wilder, Fury and Ortiz for that matter, they all fought from the same pool of fighters.

[The D3vil]

Fury was terrible in the first fight lol. Best version? Wilder literally admits to cherry picking an out of shape rusty fury in an interview. Fury kncoked out wilder in both subsequent fights and you are using that as a positive? Usyk also won both fights 8-4 9-3. Barely? Fury was coming off of wins over chisora and whyte. He was not shopworn. He just lost.

They fought 3x.

And in the 3rd Fight, Fury had to get up off the canvas 2x.

There is NO shame in losing to the best fighter in the division at the time.

And no, Usyk did not win both fights by that much, and the official cards & Compubox stats reflect as much.

Just say you hate Fury & or Wilder & be done with it.

He almost got knocked out by Francis Ngannou, who AJ just bludgeoned in short order, after Usyk had made HIM look ****** 2x.

He was absolutely past his prime by the time he got to Usyk.

Fact is Usyk, out of his OWN MOUTH said Fury was the best fighter he EVER fought.

He doesn't think he easily beat Fury, but you know better???