Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Tommy Hearns at middleweight, the February 22 blockbuster, AI dream matches and Fury and the Hall of Fame

[The D3vil]

Floyd Mayweather is not in the top 20 ATG? Seriously? I think he is in the top 10 easily based on his achievements and his resume and has a very good argument for even being No1. I have to declare my hand - I never liked Floyd. I was always hoping somebody would clip him and KO him or at least beat him. But, it never happened even though he fought literally who is who across multiple weight divisions. So I have to give him props and rate him at least top 10 ATG. I cannot rate fighters from history above him just because I never watched them fight live. Virtually all of them have lost a fight or three. Yes, Floyd had a few close calls, the fights I though he lost, BUT he didn't.

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them

Thats a media fan cooked narrative, if you actually analyze his resume and compare it to others in the same era and the circumstances surrounding fights being made, it was no more selective as anybody else on top of the game, dont kid yourself every top tier fighter in history when on top of the game fought only the fights that fans yelled loudest, they all had a strong business approach to opponent selection, they balanced the pay while trying to keep fans satisfied so their career kept moving forward its a juggling act by managers and advisors, you can pick any fighter in history and they ALL had a majority of average top fighters on their resume and made their name of a handful of greats, the irony is the claimed GOAT SRR had a proverbial truck load of cans that carried massive losing records, some great fighters never got the opportunity or weren't active while other greats were active, its easy for fans to sit back and talk, its not easy to be unbiased fact based.

When you compare Floyds resume to others its very strong across his whole career body of work.

That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

[Roadblock]

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them



That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

I don't even understand what youre crying about what is it your saying, actually saying? Summarise that garbage , maybe be specific instead of crying a river like the tide went out.

[Oregonian]

very good but wouldnt fight pac when he was going top guns & dont give e that crap pac was ready to fight and floyd eventyualy took the rest of the year off i remember it well and also retired for years when the WW division was hot with mosley williams margarito and maybe cotto if forget all there are going great he was veery good but very picky about his opponents and got them when he wanted them

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Why didn’t PAC fight Floyd from 2005-2009? Was he NOT ready then?

[Oregonian]

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them

That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

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Two things you wrote that discredit everything else - “Floyd didn’t fight outside of the US.” Which foreign fighter should Floyd have fought?
Roy Jones, in his prime didn’t fight outside the US, does he lose credibility because of that?

Two, You put Khan on that list of guys Floyd didn’t fight. Khan!!!! Khan was never ranked anywhere in the top 10 WW and lost all his big fights but somehow he deserved To get a shot at Floyd and Floyd ducked him? This is hilarious.

The rest are easy to dissect but there’s really no point. I mean in 2001, Oscar was fighting at 147 while Floyd was at 130 and you expected Floyd to skip two weight classes to fight Oscar? Well, why didn’t Oscar go to 168 to fight Roy Jones? That’s your logic after all.

[IronDanHamza]

Don’t forget that he was willing to fight Pacquiao in 2009. And that it was Pacquiao who walked away because of a little drug testing, then years later like a hypocrite asked Juan Manuel Marquez to do VADA.

In regards to Miguel Cotto vs Sergio Martinez: I agree that Sergio was not the same fighter due to the knee. That win tends to get way overblown for Cotto.

Pacquaio walked away from what?

[IronDanHamza]

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them



That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

What kind of ridiculous list is that you've just posted?

Massively inflated numbers for almost every fighter on there.

Emile Griffith 47 wins over Top 10 opponents? He has less than 30 wins over Top 10 opponents.

Do you believe everything you read?

[Joseph]

I haven't read the article; how many times does Boots and his impossible pedestal get mentioned?

[BrankoB]

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them



That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

If you have to write a book to try to make a point, it means you do not have a point and your post makes absolutely no sense at all. Just read a number of replies calling you out of your BS. It is not an accident.

[Roadblock]

Pacquaio walked away from what?

From signing the contract, after Floyd agreed to the 10 mill weight forfeit and signed off Manny did not sign on the issue of the drug testing, then they sued the Mayweathers and Oscar etc for talking about him and then we had like a cold war for years, all Manny had to do was agree to random no cut of drug testing which he didn't he walked.

[Poopdick]

Still disagree with Bread on Cotto over Martinez being a good win. Martinez was close to being shot after the Chavez Jr. and Murray fights – he left everything of himself in the ring on those occasions.

yeah too much of that dumb way of thinking in boxing. acting like something is great because of name recognition, and not putting it into context of who they are in their career when you beat them. I see that way too much in boxing fans