Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Tommy Hearns at middleweight, the February 22 blockbuster, AI dream matches and Fury and the Hall of Fame

[IronDanHamza]

From signing the contract, after Floyd agreed to the 10 mill weight forfeit and signed off Manny did not sign on the issue of the drug testing, then they sued the Mayweathers and Oscar etc for talking about him and then we had like a cold war for years, all Manny had to do was agree to random no cut of drug testing which he didn't he walked.

I'm aware Pacquaio refused the random drug testing procedure thus the fight fell through.

I'm asking ShoulderRoll to clarify what he means by it.

[ShoulderRoll]

From signing the contract, after Floyd agreed to the 10 mill weight forfeit and signed off Manny did not sign on the issue of the drug testing, then they sued the Mayweathers and Oscar etc for talking about him and then we had like a cold war for years, all Manny had to do was agree to random no cut of drug testing which he didn't he walked.

Exactly.

Also I can’t believe people still push Amir Khan as someone Floyd avoided. I guess they think Khan’s fast hands would have somehow made up for his low boxing IQ and shaky chin.

[IronDanHamza]

Exactly.

Also I can’t believe people still push Amir Khan as someone Floyd avoided. I guess they think Khan’s fast hands would have somehow made up for his low boxing IQ and shaky chin.

What "testing" are you referring to that Pacquaio turned down?

[buge]

Noooo.

C'mon guy.

He doesn't have a single victory over a top 50 fighter at their peak.

Virtually every great fighter he beat was before their peak (Canelo) or past their peaks (Pacquaio, Mosley, De La Hoya).

He never fought outside of the United States & never even fought outside of his adopted hometown of Las Vegas for the entire 2nd half of his career.

He missed a whole generation of young guns from Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Brook, Porter, & Khan

Sugar Ray Leonard has more great victories between 1979-1981 than Floyd did his entire career.

He put business before legacy, which I respect because boxing is a brutal sport, but that has to be factored in when you're assessing legacy.

If a fight was 50/50, he wasn't going to take it or he was going to "let it marinate" until the fighter lost & then he'd fight them



That's complete horse manure.

There's a reason Ali is respected the way he did, it's because he has no misses.

He didn't let fights marinate. He fought everybody when he was supposed to fight them.

In the past, dudes used to have to fight through the entire Ring top 10 list



Look how many top 10 fighters these dudes had to fight.

Floyd's not even on the list.

Ali & Emile Griffith are the only guys who've fought in the past 50 years on this list

Guys used to have to fight everybody. Ducking is a modern invention.

Do you have a similar list of the past 50 years?

[The D3vil]

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Two things you wrote that discredit everything else - “Floyd didn’t fight outside of the US.” Which foreign fighter should Floyd have fought?
Roy Jones, in his prime didn’t fight outside the US, does he lose credibility because of that?

Two, You put Khan on that list of guys Floyd didn’t fight. Khan!!!! Khan was never ranked anywhere in the top 10 WW and lost all his big fights but somehow he deserved To get a shot at Floyd and Floyd ducked him? This is hilarious.

The rest are easy to dissect but there’s really no point. I mean in 2001, Oscar was fighting at 147 while Floyd was at 130 and you expected Floyd to skip two weight classes to fight Oscar? Well, why didn’t Oscar go to 168 to fight Roy Jones? That’s your logic after all.

I didn't say foreign fighter. I said fight outside of the country. There is a difference.

Though, he could've fought Vivian Harris.

And yes, a lot of people criticize Roy Jones for never fighting Darius Michael-whatever his name is.

The greatest fighters generally fight everywhere. That 's why we give Oleksandr Usyk so much credit for going into Anthony Joshua's backyard & other guys' backyards and beating them.

You wouldn't consider a team that only won home games the greatest team ever, would you?

Also, I didn't say Khan deserved the fight. I just merely put him on a list of fighters he COULD have fought, who had a lot of buzz, but didn't. There is a difference.

Also, Manny jumped 2 weight classes to fight Oscar the year after Floyd fought him.

If you have to write a book to try to make a point, it means you do not have a point and your post makes absolutely no sense at all. Just read a number of replies calling you out of your BS. It is not an accident.

Yeah, they like you DKSAB

It's a pandemic around here.

Do you have a similar list of the past 50 years?

I tried to find one, but couldn't

[Oregonian]

I didn't say foreign fighter. I said fight outside of the country. There is a difference.

Though, he could've fought Vivian Harris.

And yes, a lot of people criticize Roy Jones for never fighting Darius Michael-whatever his name is.

The greatest fighters generally fight everywhere. That 's why we give Oleksandr Usyk so much credit for going into Anthony Joshua's backyard & other guys' backyards and beating them.

You wouldn't consider a team that only won home games the greatest team ever, would you?

Also, I didn't say Khan deserved the fight. I just merely put him on a list of fighters he COULD have fought, who had a lot of buzz, but didn't. There is a difference.

Also, Manny jumped 2 weight classes to fight Oscar the year after Floyd fought him.


Yeah, they like you DKSAB

It's a pandemic around here.


I tried to find one, but couldn't

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Come on bruh!

Ok. Where in the world was Floyd supposed to fight and against whom?
Your Usyk example makes zero sense! Usyk will NEVER EVER make the kind of money he made in The UK or Saudi Arabia if he fights in Ukraine. You know that, don’t you?
Even the global superstar Pacqiao could NEVER make the money he made fighting in Vegas in his own country. Again, this you know to be a fact. So where exactly would Floyd have fought that would have paid him what he was making in Vegas?

Vivian Harris? Vivian was talking smack about Floyd just as he was about to fight Carlos Moussa. I was hoping he was going to win so he could face Floyd. What happened to him? He got knocked the phũck out.

Did Darius Machilewski (goodness!) even fight out of Germany? The bigger star was Roy. This should not even be an argument but Breadman spoke about it last Saturday in his mailbag.

So Floyd should have fought Khan because Khan had buzz while he was getting KO by everyone? Come on bruh!
Ryan Garcia has buzz, should Crawford fight him?

There you go again saying something that while true, leaves out context. Oscar hasn’t fought at 147 in over 6 years and had lost to Floyd at 154. Manny did the same thing to Margarito, Brandon Rios, Mosley, Broner, Mathysse, etc …. Fought them at either catchweights or coming off losses.

[The D3vil]

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Come on bruh!

Ok. Where in the world was Floyd supposed to fight and against whom?
Your Usyk example makes zero sense! Usyk will NEVER EVER make the kind of money he made in The UK or Saudi Arabia if he fights in Ukraine. You know that, don’t you?
Even the global superstar Pacqiao could NEVER make the money he made fighting in Vegas in his own country. Again, this you know to be a fact. So where exactly would Floyd have fought that would have paid him what he was making in Vegas?

Vivian Harris? Vivian was talking smack about Floyd just as he was about to fight Carlos Moussa. I was hoping he was going to win so he could face Floyd. What happened to him? He got knocked the phũck out.

Did Darius Machilewski (goodness!) even fight out of Germany? The bigger star was Roy. This should not even be an argument but Breadman spoke about it last Saturday in his mailbag.

So Floyd should have fought Khan because Khan had buzz while he was getting KO by everyone? Come on bruh!
Ryan Garcia has buzz, should Crawford fight him?

There you go again saying something that while true, leaves out context. Oscar hasn’t fought at 147 in over 6 years and had lost to Floyd at 154. Manny did the same thing to Margarito, Brandon Rios, Mosley, Broner, Mathysse, etc …. Fought them at either catchweights or coming off losses.

Where do most great fighters fight?

Most of the great fighters in history have fought outside of their countries & you know that.

Yes, we know that Usyk & Pacquaio have fought mostly outside of their countries. That's a part of what makes them bad asses.

Lennox Lewis, too.

It's not the only factor, but it is a factor when guys can go to a neutral site or into another fighters backyard and beat them.

Ali fought in Europe even before being suspended & after suspension, he fought in The Phillippines, Germany & Africa

Would the fight against Hatton have been different had it happened in England? Maybe, we'll never know

What about the fights with Castillo? If they happen in Mexico, does he get the nod in that first fight? Again, we'll never know

Now, again, I didn't say Roy was a bum or that Darius M. was better than him, but BOTH of their legacies are affected by the fact that they didn't fight each other.

Darius isn't even in the IBHOF, in spite of defending his title over 20 times. That is absolutely because he never left Europe. These things matter.

And again, why are you so focused on Khan & only Khan.

I listed a TON of other dudes he could've fought other than Andre Berto. Khan was just one of them.

I think Floyd beats Khan. I think he beats Harris. Hell, I think he beats Paul Williams, but fights aren't fought on paper, they're fought in the ring & there were a ton of guys between 140-154 that Floyd could've fought in the 2010s that he didn't fight. That's a fact.

[Roadblock]

Where do most great fighters fight?

Most of the great fighters in history have fought outside of their countries & you know that.

Yes, we know that Usyk & Pacquaio have fought mostly outside of their countries. That's a part of what makes them bad asses.

Lennox Lewis, too.

It's not the only factor, but it is a factor when guys can go to a neutral site or into another fighters backyard and beat them.

Ali fought in Europe even before being suspended & after suspension, he fought in The Phillippines, Germany & Africa

Would the fight against Hatton have been different had it happened in England? Maybe, we'll never know

What about the fights with Castillo? If they happen in Mexico, does he get the nod in that first fight? Again, we'll never know

Now, again, I didn't say Roy was a bum or that Darius M. was better than him, but BOTH of their legacies are affected by the fact that they didn't fight each other.

Darius isn't even in the IBHOF, in spite of defending his title over 20 times. That is absolutely because he never left Europe. These things matter.

And again, why are you so focused on Khan & only Khan.

I listed a TON of other dudes he could've fought other than Andre Berto. Khan was just one of them.

I think Floyd beats Khan. I think he beats Harris. Hell, I think he beats Paul Williams, but fights aren't fought on paper, they're fought in the ring & there were a ton of guys between 140-154 that Floyd could've fought in the 2010s that he didn't fight. That's a fact.

And if he fought every guy you think he should of fought you would now be crying about the others he didn't fight, just like every fighter, including you favs they cannot fight everyone, you haters are so full of BS if only your bias could see the flip flop between the guys you hate and the ones your a fanboy off, its comical.

[The D3vil]

And if he fought every guy you think he should of fought you would now be crying about the others he didn't fight, just like every fighter, including you favs they cannot fight everyone, you haters are so full of BS if only your bias could see the flip flop between the guys you hate and the ones your a fanboy off, its comical.

Naw, you're just a Floyd stan.

I'm pretty ambivalent about modern boxing, but I'm not a fan of rewarding modern boxing's tendency to reward people for cherry picking & avoiding hard fights.

This is why UFC is kicking boxing's ass.

Just about everybody fights everybody & nobody gets to dictate all the terms of the fights.

[Oregonian]

Where do most great fighters fight?

Most of the great fighters in history have fought outside of their countries & you know that.

Yes, we know that Usyk & Pacquaio have fought mostly outside of their countries. That's a part of what makes them bad asses.

Lennox Lewis, too.

It's not the only factor, but it is a factor when guys can go to a neutral site or into another fighters backyard and beat them.

Ali fought in Europe even before being suspended & after suspension, he fought in The Phillippines, Germany & Africa

Would the fight against Hatton have been different had it happened in England? Maybe, we'll never know

What about the fights with Castillo? If they happen in Mexico, does he get the nod in that first fight? Again, we'll never know

Now, again, I didn't say Roy was a bum or that Darius M. was better than him, but BOTH of their legacies are affected by the fact that they didn't fight each other.

Darius isn't even in the IBHOF, in spite of defending his title over 20 times. That is absolutely because he never left Europe. These things matter.

And again, why are you so focused on Khan & only Khan.

I listed a TON of other dudes he could've fought other than Andre Berto. Khan was just one of them.

I think Floyd beats Khan. I think he beats Harris. Hell, I think he beats Paul Williams, but fights aren't fought on paper, they're fought in the ring & there were a ton of guys between 140-154 that Floyd could've fought in the 2010s that he didn't fight. That's a fact.

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Why do you keep leaving out context when you reference certain facts?
The reason why Usyk and PAC fought outside of their home country is MONEY. Period.
It is the same very reason why boxers from Africa flock to the US. THEY WILL NEVER EVER MAJE THE KIND OF MOBEY THEY’d MAKE IN THE US.

it’s not because they are bad âsses. Far from it.

Canelo will NEVER make the kind of money he’s making if he fought a 168 Ibs fighter in India or other places except Saudi Arabia and maybe Mexico.

You are starting to lose credibility when you say we don’t know what would have happened if Hatton had fought Floyd in the UK. We know exactly what would have happened.
Do you think Hatton would have beaten PAC if the fight was in the UK?

Do you even know why Ali fought in The Philippines or Zaire? He didn’t fight local fighters. He fought a fellow Americans.

The president of Zaire personally paid the fighters fee and so did the corrupt president of the Philippines.

A lot of boxers are now going to Saudi Arabia to fight. Why do you think they are going to that place? To prove themselves? NO. It’s MONEY. Period.

Floyd not fighting those other guys you mention can be a separate conversation but you put Khan there. Khan was garbage and lost every big fight he had.

Why didn’t Khan fight Cotto or Mosley or Marquez or Margarito or Oscar?