Comments Thread For: The case for Tyson Fury to stay retired

[champion4ever]

Likewise, even those two fights were close. Many boxing fans believed he won both of the them

I would love to see this fact
I’ve never heard any boxing analysts say that
Not one mentioned that Fury deserved any of those fights
I call bullchit on this one
Didn't have a dog and really dislike everything about Fury
He's the only one who thought he won

You know what boxing fans do on public forums once their favorite fighters lose. They go into hiding by posting behind their alt accounts.

[Bob]

Christ, less of the articles in comments.

My 5 Bob's worth, a case to stay retired, Wrestling... Easy money.

[MulaKO]

You know what boxing fans do on public forums once their favorite fighters lose. They go into hiding by posting behind their alt accounts.

That’s fine but their is no analyst who has said that
I don’t pay much attention to trolls who come up with bullchit
If you listen to trolls well that’s your problem but don’t make it sound like people that matter are saying that cause no one is

[dannnnn]

Fury’s career is just about complete, too. No, he hasn’t fought Joshua, and that’s a fight that people have wanted for ages. But from a legacy perspective, it wouldn’t prove much. Their respective performances against Usyk, the Ukrainian’s affirmations that Fury is the best fighter he has faced, and their careers in general suggest fairly clearly that Fury is the better man than Joshua in the ring.

I disagree. It's certainly not "fairly clear" either way. Fury's resume is weaker for sure and very spotty where as Joshua consistently fought top competition over a long period without picking and choosing, which counts for a lot IMO, and is understandably harder to come away from unscathed.

Their respective performances against Usyk, the Ukrainian’s affirmations that Fury is the best fighter he has faced,

And what about their respective performances against Ngannou or Otto Wallin? Should we ask them who's better or don't they count? It's funny how when Joshua loses or looks vulnerable it's because he's a hype-job and a bum but when Fury does the same it's always because he wasn't focused, he barely trained, he didn't even try etc, etc. Nice to have that magical built in excuse, eh?

And to be honest there wasn't even a big disparity in their respective performances against Usyk. Joshua lost two competitive fights too, particularly the second one where he hurt Usyk to the body and looked like he might be on course to win before Usyk took it away from him in the championship rounds like the great fighter he is.

Fury is a near-certain Hall of Famer and has reigned as the lineal champ; Joshua is probably 40-60 to get in and never quite seized and held onto the top spot in the division.

Is it really a title reign if you don't actually defend the title? He beat Klitschko for the belts and then retired, at which point his lineal title was relinquished along with the rest of them. Some reign, that.

I'd argue pretty strongly that Joshua held the top spot in the division right from his initial title win over Charles Martin in 2016 through to his defeat(s) to Usyk in 2021 (minus the blip to Ruiz in the middle). Joshua was 'the man' during that five-year period, nobody else.

Joshua's big mistake was opting to defend the belts against top contenders like a fool when the smart move would have been to retire for three years before returning in dominant fashion against the likes of Sefer Seferi, Francisco Pianeta and Tom Schwarz, and doing a first-rate PR job of conning the public (and even the so-called boxing experts) into believing that you were actually the real champion the whole time and deserve to be retroactively credited as such.

[Gladiator18]

He should definitely stick with it, he’s taken so much punishment in his fights especially those wilder fights, should always think about health first, he has a beautiful family, he should go live rest of his days with them in happiness

[786]

While I'd pick Fury to beat AJ, it's not a foregone conclusion and I won't give him the win over AJ if he doesn't actually achieve it like this writer has and some people in this thread. "He'd beat AJ easily so there's not point in that fight happening."

That's not really the reason why the fight isn't as enticing as it once was. Both are on the decline, neither have a title and neither can claim to be the best in their era. That's why the fight is seemingly pointless. I remember similar rhetoric for the Ngannou and Usyk fights before they were confirmed, "Fury would school Ngannou....he's too big for Usyk...." and we saw what happened in those fights.

As for his retirement, he's had a very good career, a couple of great wins and can claim to be in the top 3 of his era. Fighting AJ to be "one of the best Brits" of their era might be worthwhile financially but won't do much for Fury's legacy (other than hurt it if he loses). So, I'm cool with him staying retired and ok with the AJ fight not happening but like everyone else, I'm not sure what this "retirement" is about. If it's legitimate then good luck to him, he will definitely be missed in the sport.

[hugh grant]

Tyson does have to fight josh. Otherwise we'd have been waiting for no reason. Only scenario where it need not happen, is if Tyson has said all along its not happening from the start.
But we know Tyson has said it's down to Josh ducking him?

[billeau2]

Likewise, even those two fights were close. Many boxing fans believed he won both of the them

I would love to see this fact
I’ve never heard any boxing analysts say that
Not one mentioned that Fury deserved any of those fights
I call bullchit on this one
Didn't have a dog and really dislike everything about Fury
He's the only one who thought he won

Even if a case can be made for the first fight, Doesn't diminish that Usyk won the fight. And the second fight? No real case could be made for Fury.

[MulaKO]

Even if a case can be made for the first fight, Doesn't diminish that Usyk won the fight. And the second fight? No real case could be made for Fury.

I had Usyk winning both fights comfortably
People like to make chit up when their backed up against the wall
That is why so many turn informants cause They're left with no where to turn

[billeau2]

I had Usyk winning both fights comfortably
People like to make chit up when their backed up against the wall
That is why so many turn informants cause They're left with no where to turn

I had the first fight close but an Usyk win. I do not score fights so I do not count my scoring as being particularly accurate. Yes, people will make excuses. IMO forget scoring punches... Fury was caught unable to hit the gas pedal in the championship rounds. This was particularly true for the second fight. Fury had been smart preparing for Wilder, and followed through strategically in both fights, but his strategy was lacking in the Usyk fight because he was unable to do much the the last few rounds of the fight(s).

I would give Usyk both fights on that accord alone... After the first fight all Fury had to do was train to go hard for 3 more 3 minute rounds... He should have lost weight, and strategized accordingly. In both fights he was successful the early rounds ( a clue?). Of course Alexander is a slow starter, but even so, Fury neglected an obvious blueprint for better success. He came into the second fight in bad shape and seemingly with no blueprint.