Why did Jaron "Boots" Ennis disappointed a lot of people?

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  • brettWall
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    Why did Jaron "Boots" Ennis disappointed a lot of people?

    Quite an interesting case. It's not even about fear of the future in terms of not making it financially. (He turned down a lucrative offer.) It's about fear of losing. And here I am watching tennis with players who lose every tournament, but still able to come back in the next open. Meaning, losing is part of every sport. It's in basketball, football, baseball, you name it...
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    Tim Bradley: Boots' pretenders get exposed! Philly, not gangsta!

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    • brettWall
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      Correction for the title: "Why did Jaron 'Boots' Ennis disappoint a lot of people?"
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      Any thoughts about this serious malady in the sport of boxing? Is it really that serious losing once in this sport? Jaron had not thoughts of winning against Ortiz at all?

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      • ELPacman
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        That's boxing for you and the Mayweather era. Making a big deal about the "0".

        I was just rewatching a bunch of Micky Ward fights and damn, the excitement. The dude could lose constant but kept getting called back because people just loved the fighter and didn't care about the losses. That's a bygone era.

        At this point, boxing has become such a chess game before the matches even begin. Fighters need to chart out (probably with their promoter too) the best course of fighters that will make them look good, continue to keep their "0" and generate some good $$$ in the meantime. Risks and challenges are mostly not part of what they're looking to take on because that "0" means so much in marketability these days.

        Lastly and to Pacquiao's point when he was asked about comparisons between himself and Mayweather during the HOF talk, there are many fighters who retired undefeated. It doesn't make them all great. It means, you need to question things more. If a fighter is TRULY testing himself constantly, there is a loss bound to happen. The real measure should be how they handle that loss and rebound back because so many that fall into the delusion that it's necessary to be undefeated, can't take it when they lose it. Look at Naseem Hamed. Dude takes 1 loss, then has 1 more fight and called the quits. Who the heck wouldn't have wanted to see him fight again? Regardless of being taken to school by Barrera, he was exciting as f**k to watch. I would have paid to see him again and again and again regardless of taking more losses.
        Last edited by ELPacman; 12-10-2024, 11:50 AM.

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          The 0 only counts IMO if you can keep it against the best opposition. If you don't have a resume, who cares? There's still plenty of fools who eat up nonsense, saying that Tank Davis is all that because he's undefeated, and thinking that he's a legit world champ at 140 (or really 135, since that was an email title, although Frank Martin was a fairly legit defense at least. Then they say Loma is a hypejob with no skills because he's got 3 losses on his record. Part and parcel of why boxing is struggling, IMO.

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          • tomhawq
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            Ennis instantly just became the second Brian Norman. They don't realize it's actually a dangerous move. They both could potentially lose against lesser opponents. That would be even more devastating and might even take longer to come back. Not to mention the low reward angle.

            "Lesser" is likely for both of them, but the potential of losing to one will always loom like in every fight.

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              Losses aren't as big a deal as these fighters make it. Everyone wants Oscar/Mayweather/Canelo paychecks without earning their stripes.

              In defeat, Bivol lost absolutely none of his appeal. Neither did Canelo when he lost to Bivol.
              Last edited by Gary Coleman; 12-10-2024, 01:05 PM.

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              • Joseph
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                Originally posted by Gary Coleman
                In defeat, Bivol lost absolutely none of his appeal. Neither did Canelo when he lost to Bivol.
                If anything, Bivol's appeal went up by virtue of taking Artur the distance alone. The loss didn't matter.

                A recent, lesser example is Trevor McCumby, who lost to Caleb Plant but put on a hell of a show: people flocked to his social media because of it.

                I get the gut feeling that at the end of the day, when all the dust has settled, Boots is just complacent and lazy.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by brettWall
                  Tim Bradley: Boots' pretenders get exposed! Philly, not gangsta!

                  Damn! Tim telling it like it is. Ennis looking like a straight bitch, first begging for an opportunity to get in there with some big names, then turning down the first big one that comes along.

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                    Originally posted by brettWall
                    Quite an interesting case. It's not even about fear of the future in terms of not making it financially. (He turned down a lucrative offer.) It's about fear of losing. And here I am watching tennis with players who lose every tournament, but still able to come back in the next open. Meaning, losing is part of every sport. It's in basketball, football, baseball, you name it...
                    I always thought it's exactly what they've waited this long for after padding his undefeated record. Fight cans all his career, skip mid-level opponents like Kavliauskas, JLo, Alexander, Guerrero, Collazo, Berto, etc. Then go for the jugular win or lose as long as it pays millions of dollars. Turns out that it's not only the money they're after. They want it all, money, zero loss intact... They're greedy AF.

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