Will Bivol get any credit if he schools Beterbiev?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

fundamentals are fundamentals for a reason

they work most of the time

as the Mayweather once said mastering the fundamentals is what brought him so far

One must be black or a Slique White Chocolate like Alvarez to have that upper body fluidity

Biv defense more along the lines of a Willie Pep: win the battle of jabbing to control distance

Biv doesnt always high guard. He alternates between high and long. Whenever he boxes with a lower lead hand that’s long guard time to stuff opponents

I see no resemblance of Pep in Bivol.

[SouthpawRight]

I see no resemblance of Pep in Bivol.

In tactics not style

of course individualist freedom loving Americans will be more fluid

the imperialist Russians follow their almighty state and have a structured systematic approach to boxing

Bet’s trainer Ramsay describes Biv as robotic

it’s his control of distance timing and feints that make his repetitive combos land

Biv began boxing at 6 years of age in Kyrgyzstan. Land of the independent nomadic Central Asians. Biv Soviet Step gallops in at high speeds like a wild horse

these other fighters from the Russian Empire can’t Soviet Step like Biv: Bet, Usyk, Loma

[PBR Streetgang]

I don’t see these supposed layers, I think it’s very basic, high guard to block punches, feet to control range. It’s undoubtedly effective but I highly doubt it’ll be effective when a guy can consistently get into range. Bivol doesn’t use reflexes like Floyd, Sweet Pea etc, he’s not a slippery fighter. He’s just very good fundamentally.

The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance.

Yeah his feet are excellent, has very good judgement of range too.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Timing is elite. Ring IQ is elite. When you see a guy fighting against multiple different styles and the fights always looks the same, IMO it's because the fighter is imposing his style on the opponents. When you can do that to the likes of Canelo, not to mention different puzzles like Zurdo or Joe Smith Jr, you need to start looking at WHY none of those fighters with their different styles and physiques can do anything vs Bivol. He can fight going forward or going backward. He's always in balance and in range, and his opponents aren't. If he's getting pressured, he knows how to rack up points on the back foot, and RIGHT when to throw a combo (when the opponent has stepped into range but has a compromised stance--either too narrow in the case of Canelo, who likes to inch the back foot up, or too wide in the case of more conventional opponents). It's not always at the same time, and he doesn't exit the same side or angle every time, so his opponents have to guess. He's probably the hardest guy in all of boxing to walk down. Then, he knows when the opponent is trying to rest or gather themselves, and he can and will pressure them and push them back. Constant mental pressure.

Speaking of pressure, Beterbiev is very skilled too, in addition to that power. It's going to be a very interesting, really perfect, clash of styles. Beterbiev has more ways to win because he's got the power and Bivol doesn't. And he fights on the front foot and judges usually reward that. Bivol likely needs to fight a basically perfect fight for 12 rounds to win. But Bivol pretty clearly has enough power to keep people honest, Beterbiev has been down quite a few times before and Bivol hasn't, and Bivol is both younger, and accustomed to fighting 12 rounds at the pace he always imposes. Beterbiev likes to rest periodically, and Bivol won't let him. That's likely going to present opportunities for Beterbiev, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him gas and look like Father Time has caught up because Bivol won't let him rest ever, and is more accustomed to the pace.

Personally, if Bivol can either take the power or can use his own skills to keep Beterbiev sufficiently off him, I think he will run away with a wide victory (which will be too close on the cards) that will leave viewers thinking that Time has caught up to Beterbiev, and Beterbiev thinking it's time to hang it up. That movement and Bivol's tendency to jump on and push the larger guy back to prevent them from resting or building momentum will really frustrate Beterbiev, and he'll get sloppier and get hit more, allowing the decision to grow wider and wider. It won't be because Beterbiev is old though. It will be because Bivol is so deceptively good at things that look basic and imposed his fight on Beterbiev. But that rabbit punch of Beterbiev's is the great equalizer. Every single one of his fights has ended because he's always been able to land that punch consistently right behind the ear, and that's a very disorienting feeling. Since Bivol's style is so cerebral, and requires that ring IQ, if Beterbiev can land that anywhere close to early and consistently, then he'll likely just smash Bivol, probably within 8. I think whoever is best able to establish their jab in the first 4 rounds will likely be the ultimate winner. I predict it will look like a Bivol fight for the first 6 rounds, with Beterbiev stealing a couple rounds here and there. Then either Beterbiev will be able to gain momentum, as he does, and it will end in a TKO for Beterbiev, or he'll start to look more gassed than we've ever seen him by 9, and Bivol will win a wide decision.

Of course, I could be totally off, and look like a fool on October 13. That's completely likely too. And credit to both if it's a closer fight than I expect.

[SouthpawRight]

The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance.

they can’t get into range because Biv dominates the jabbing

he’s the best today at parrying away the jab to fire back his own or catch & shoot. And has many different power shot counters for a jab

Coupled with his quick footwork and long guard

they struggle to get into their range

Timing is elite. Ring IQ is elite. When you see a guy fighting against multiple different styles and the fights always looks the same, IMO it's because the fighter is imposing his style on the opponents. When you can do that to the likes of Canelo, not to mention different puzzles like Zurdo or Joe Smith Jr, you need to start looking at WHY none of those fighters with their different styles and physiques can do anything vs Bivol. He can fight going forward or going backward. He's always in balance and in range, and his opponents aren't. If he's getting pressured, he knows how to rack up points on the back foot, and RIGHT when to throw a combo (when the opponent has stepped into range but has a compromised stance--either too narrow in the case of Canelo, who likes to inch the back foot up, or too wide in the case of more conventional opponents). It's not always at the same time, and he doesn't exit the same side or angle every time, so his opponents have to guess. He's probably the hardest guy in all of boxing to walk down. Then, he knows when the opponent is trying to rest or gather themselves, and he can and will pressure them and push them back. Constant mental pressure.

Speaking of pressure, Beterbiev is very skilled too, in addition to that power. It's going to be a very interesting, really perfect, clash of styles. Beterbiev has more ways to win because he's got the power and Bivol doesn't. And he fights on the front foot and judges usually reward that. Bivol likely needs to fight a basically perfect fight for 12 rounds to win. But Bivol pretty clearly has enough power to keep people honest, Beterbiev has been down quite a few times before and Bivol hasn't, and Bivol is both younger, and accustomed to fighting 12 rounds at the pace he always imposes. Beterbiev likes to rest periodically, and Bivol won't let him. That's likely going to present opportunities for Beterbiev, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him gas and look like Father Time has caught up because Bivol won't let him rest ever, and is more accustomed to the pace.

Personally, if Bivol can either take the power or can use his own skills to keep Beterbiev sufficiently off him, I think he will run away with a wide victory (which will be too close on the cards) that will leave viewers thinking that Time has caught up to Beterbiev, and Beterbiev thinking it's time to hang it up. That movement and Bivol's tendency to jump on and push the larger guy back to prevent them from resting or building momentum will really frustrate Beterbiev, and he'll get sloppier and get hit more, allowing the decision to grow wider and wider. It won't be because Beterbiev is old though. It will be because Bivol is so deceptively good at things that look basic and imposed his fight on Beterbiev. But that rabbit punch of Beterbiev's is the great equalizer. Every single one of his fights has ended because he's always been able to land that punch consistently right behind the ear, and that's a very disorienting feeling. Since Bivol's style is so cerebral, and requires that ring IQ, if Beterbiev can land that anywhere close to early and consistently, then he'll likely just smash Bivol, probably within 8. I think whoever is best able to establish their jab in the first 4 rounds will likely be the ultimate winner. I predict it will look like a Bivol fight for the first 6 rounds, with Beterbiev stealing a couple rounds here and there. Then either Beterbiev will be able to gain momentum, as he does, and it will end in a TKO for Beterbiev, or he'll start to look more gassed than we've ever seen him by 9, and Bivol will win a wide decision.

Of course, I could be totally off, and look like a fool on October 13. That's completely likely too. And credit to both if it's a closer fight than I expect.

Bet is more likely to win a decision than he is stoppage

3 opponents who get hit way more than Biv have been into the double digit rounds with Bet

Gvo kept trading and still made it to round 10

Biv has a habit of giving away a round after the 8th to take a breather

Smith Jr took the 11th, Alvarez took the 9th, and Zurdo took the 10th

No lapse in focus VS Bet. He lands a big shot, gains confidence, and gets into the fight

The questions to be answered how will Bet respond when his jab is neutered and what kind of chin does Biv have

I’m expecting many long range right hands to the body in this fight. Both are open for it and both are good at throwing it