Comments Thread For: Devin Haney sues Ryan Garcia for battery, fraud and more

[Roberto Vasquez]

If only there were definitive proof of fight night advantages drugs give a fighter.
I have yet to see it.
Not one boxing purist or commentator has stated, DURING A FIGHT, that a fighter was on drugs.

Never once was it said....
"Wow. This fighter has never been this fast, powerful, elusive and with such stamina ! He usually is gassed by the 4th rd and tries to not exchange."

If anything, a commentator will mention how much bigger a guy is than his opponent.
Weight bullies > dope fiends.

And let's ignore mismatches
Mismatches > dope fights

There really isn't a scientific reason to ban these substances since they never show up on fight night.

Fighters wouldn't take PEDs if there weren't advantages. I mean it's clear to see in athletics. Some of the East German women's records still stand from the 1980s and there's Flo Jo too. Still no one has come close to her record.

As for boxing I seem to remember Mayorga looking and acting like he was on drugs.

Also what about 40 year old guys fighting like 25 year old guys? Isn't that su****ious?

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Yeah? Maybe you ought to look it up, clown. It prevents muscle loss while cutting weight, AND it increases muscle mass and strength.

No, it helps with dropping water weight and some fat. A byproduct of which is the body holds onto muscle more efficiently. A longer cut means more muscle loss. This is why supplement companies put it into many products without putting it on the label. And why there have been warnings.

You know what allows a fighter to have a huge advantage? IV's and rehydrating overnight to be 10-15 pounds heavier than your opponent. Which Haney does.

Garcia showed a billionth of a gram in his system. That is basically undetectable. The board found that based on the facts, he had unintentionally taken it in an unlabeled supplement.

You don't mask Ostarine like a steroid or HGH. You use it to cut weight as you get lighter and lighter. The last few weeks of the weight cut would have been the time Garcia needed to take high doses in order to be effective. It takes 2-4 weeks for the body to clear Ostarine. So if Garcia was taking huge amounts to frantically cut weight in the last month before the fight, he would have shown big levels. There would be next to no or no advantage to him trying to run a ton of it at the beginning of camp, as as he would have to jump off the drug six weeks out to be sure that he showed clean. And coming off it would be DETRIMENTAL to a camp to do that. He missed weight by a pound, he honestly didn't even try to lose the weight and paid a fine for it......because he also knew that Haney was going to come in IVd and really heavy like he always does.

Why would Garcia gamble his career and the fight on a low level **** drug like Ostarine, AND miss weight on purpose to negate Haney's size advantage.....the whole point of Ostarine is to MAKE WEIGHT. He didn't even attempt to make weight, it's obvious.

And Garcia is loaded. He could have easily gotten high level actual designer steroids and drugs that WOULD have given him a huge advantage, and they COULD have been easily masked and he'd have passed. Haney likely is doing this, given that Victor Conte is a top masker.

But instead Garcia shows an amount consistent with taking a fat burner that unknowingly had Ostarine in, a tiny amount that gave no advantage. Garcia didn't look any different, he didn't fight any different, at all. He caught Haney as Haney was high off the Progais fight and thought that he would toy with Ryan. He got caught playing around honestly. It wasn't any drug.

But again, facts don't matter, so carry on being ridiculous because of your personal bias.

I am really hoping Garcia gets some investigators to look into Haney and his IVs and association with Conte. Could get very interesting.

[billeau2]

What are they going to say, "Team Haney should have known that Ryan was juicing, because he came to the weigh-in 3.5lbs over and drinking a beer"? Haney agreed to fight an overweight Garcia, not a juicing Garcia.

That is actually a pretty complex issue... At the heart of it is whether this is a tort issue. Ryan's malfeasance falls between a couple of areas, but battery and contractual? Hard to say.

[TreD]

Which only proves my point.

Dude couldn’t make weight even with a powerful weight cutting ped in his system.

I don't understand how that makes your point . Lol..

He couldn't make weight with a powerful weight cutting ped in his system....

Think about that..

[Doubledagger]

I don't understand how that makes your point . Lol..

He couldn't make weight with a powerful weight cutting ped in his system....

Think about that..

If he couldn’t even make weight while using a weight cutting ped, then he never had a chance of ever making the weight without it.

His chances of making weight were so low that he resorted to peds to make it.

He had motive to use it.

[TreD]

If he couldn’t even make weight while using a weight cutting ped, then he never had a chance of ever making the weight without it.

His chances of making weight were so low that he resorted to peds to make it.

He had motive to use it.

It, obviously, wasn't enough to help.. lol

Whether he willingly or unknowingly took it, Ostarine was in his system. How much it helped, given it's weight-loss claims, was not at all.

[BodyBagz]

Fighters wouldn't take PEDs if there weren't advantages. I mean it's clear to see in athletics. Some of the East German women's records still stand from the 1980s and there's Flo Jo too. Still no one has come close to her record.

As for boxing I seem to remember Mayorga looking and acting like he was on drugs.

Also what about 40 year old guys fighting like 25 year old guys? Isn't that su****ious?

Show me a a roid fight that shows us dude was on it and WOULDN'T have won without it.
IOW, a roider who performed well above the norm.

IDGAF about other sports

Rumor has it Mike was on drugs too.

If feeling youthful is the only complaint from anti roiders....

[Roberto Vasquez]

Show me a a roid fight that shows us dude was on it and WOULDN'T have won without it.
IOW, a roider who performed well above the norm.

IDGAF about other sports

Rumor has it Mike was on drugs too.

If feeling youthful is the only complaint from anti roiders....

I don't really get your argument. You support roids because you like Garcia? or you are just pro PEDs in general?

Scientifically we know roids increase muscle nucleii permanently and increase perfomance - see athletics records which are measurable

As for your question, it's impossible to prove anything either way from a single fight. You can play back fights that were totally fair and fighters performances could change drastically for the rematch. Thank god scientists don't just try a drug on a single person in a drugs trial....

[BodyBagz]

I don't really get your argument. You support roids because you like Garcia? or you are just pro PEDs in general?

Scientifically we know roids increase muscle nucleii permanently and increase perfomance - see athletics records which are measurable

As for your question, it's impossible to prove anything either way from a single fight. You can play back fights that were totally fair and fighters performances could change drastically for the rematch. Thank god scientists don't just try a drug on a single person in a drugs trial....

My argument is purists make roids out to be the bane of BOXING when it couldn't be further from the truth.
I emphasize boxing as to not nclude other sports needlessly.

Thank God roiders have yet to harm their opponents like clean fighters have. Extra muscles and all.

To think, 1 part per million can swing a fight lol

[Roberto Vasquez]

My argument is purists make roids out to be the bane of BOXING when it couldn't be further from the truth.
I emphasize boxing as to not nclude other sports needlessly.

Thank God roiders have yet to harm their opponents like clean fighters have. Extra muscles and all.

To think, 1 part per million can swing a fight lol

They are a big problem in boxing. But money and the multitude of "world championship" belts is a bigger problem

Yeah but its not just roids its human growth hormone. A ton of things. And if they don't swing a fight - why do people risk their career to take them then?