Why is no one giving Fury a chance in the rematch

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  • Toffee
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    #31
    Originally posted by billeau2
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    Question: Why couldn't Fury, at any time, drop and take an eight count? If Usyk supposedly had him dead on the ropes? I mean when a fighter gets in serious trouble, has not hit the canvas yet, before they attempt to scramble they would take a count if they were in trouble. Fury did not take the count because he did not have to do so. What the ref did was immaterial to this point. Unless one thinks, if Fury took a count the ref would stop the fight, and why would the ref do that? The reason Fury stayed the course was because he wanted to minimize the points and make it a one point round.
    Fury didn't choose to do anything. His head was scrambled. He had no idea what he was doing.

    That was a 2 point round regardless of whether he touched canvas.

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    • anonymous2.0
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      #32
      I think it all depends on Fury's weight. If Fury weighs in north of 280, he's cashing out. He'll give it an honest go but if he weighs more then 280 then he didn't train that hard because why would you when this is your last fight and you're getting a big Saudi paycheck?

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      • billeau2
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        #33
        Originally posted by Toffee

        Fury didn't choose to do anything. His head was scrambled. He had no idea what he was doing.

        That was a 2 point round regardless of whether he touched canvas.
        It was a developing situation. Yes it turned out to be as good as a knockdown but you can't expect Fury to have been aware of that... He probably should have gone down I'm not saying he did the right thing.

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        • champion4ever
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          #34
          Originally posted by Smash

          well if thats the case he needs to stop having so much fun and knuckle down to give max effort all the time, still probably wont be enough of course, i think usyk wins the rematch, fury gave his best last time and came up short
          A fighter can only go to the well so many times before it eventually starts to catch up to him and began taking a toll on his body..

          In his 16 year professional career; Tyson Fury has been dropped to the canvas for a total of eight times and four those came from one opponent and his name was Deontay Wilder.

          We don’t know what toll those knockdowns had on his body. What we do know is he had to muster up all of his strength to get up from them. By one of the hardest punchers in the history of the heavyweight.division.

          Moreover, he made a strategic mistake by fighting off the back foot against Oleksandr Usyk. It’s what got him nearly knocked out in his first with Wilder and in his fight against Usyk.

          Fury becomes very vulnerable fighting off the back foot. I mean he is a lot older, heavier and slower now since the Klitschko fight. Therefore he simply cannot circle the ring for a full twelve rounds without getting tired.

          Which makes him more stationary and a lot easier to hit when he does.
          Last edited by champion4ever; 09-07-2024, 01:24 AM.

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          • JakeTheBoxer
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            #35
            He will likely gas out again. Fury has 6-7 rounds to stop Usyk. Good luck with that.

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            • Butt stuff
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              #36
              I think if Fury isn’t physically shot, which he very well may be, he has the brain and skill to adjust and return with a winning game plan.

              That said - Usyk is just a top talent and even with a better game plan and execution from Fury the mad lad might still come out on top.

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                #37
                Many people are giving him a chance, but? They are aware that, it will be extremely difficult for Tyson Fury to execute the level of skill for skill fight in order to beat Oleksandr Uysk 'Over 12 rounds, or to even force a stoppage'.

                To beat Oleksandr Uysk it is not only a challenge of athleticism, it is a challenge of boxing skill 'And the reality of Tyson Fury's career, is that? Fury is actually a very inexperienced fighter at World and Elite level boxing. Tyson Fury was a not a elite level amateur fighter, Fury never won any real prestigious international competitions as a amateur fighter 'Tyson Fury is not a European Champion, World Champion or Olympic Champion. Tyson Fury greatest achievement as a amateur fighter, was being beaten by David Price over the distance, when David Price himself was a top level amateur fighter, and commonwealth bronze medalist'.

                And as a professional fighter Tyson Fury has only really beaten one elite level Heavyweight in terms of technical skill 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. That fight was hardly a masterclass, although it was a solid performance 'The actual action of the fight is overrated'.

                All of Tyson Fury's other Heavyweight conquests, have been Fury overcoming peril and doom 'Against fighters like Deontay Wilder. To beat Wilder it is not really a test of skill to a great level, Deontay WIlder puts more pressure on a fighters resolve, durability and courage when confronting potential peril. Wilder was a elite level fighter in that competitive domain, but he was not a elite level fighter in terms of technical boxing skill.

                That is why nobody questions Tyson Fury in terms of being able to fight, when the going gets tough 'But now I sense? People are questioning whether Tyson Fury is really this all time great skill for skill boxer, that the media and his hardcore fans have tried their best to proclaim throughout all of these years?'.

                Is Tyson Fury really a better skill for skill boxer than Anthony Joshua? Anthony Joshua was a elite level amateur fighter 'And won the Olympic Title in unprecedented time. Joshua overall as a maturer was Great British Champion, ABA Champion, World Championship Silver Medalist, and Olympic Champion'.

                And as a professional fighter, Anthony Joshua is by far more experienced at World and Elite level boxing than Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua has beaten statistically the most top level Heavyweights out of all his nearest competition in the Heavyweight Division. Joshua has fought the most top level heavyweights, and beaten the most top level heavyweights'.

                Note: So when people really sit back, and analyse Tyson Fury's boxing career 'Now that Tyson Fury is not the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, and the incessant somewhat over exaggeration of his boxing abilities and boxing feats has decreased'.

                More people in a higher number now, are interfacing with boxing reality 'And seeing the boxing world, and competitive landscape in the Heavyweight division more clearly'.

                When I say people 'I am not talking about myself'. I am talking the about people within society and the boxing community, in mass 'Who just move or are highly influenced by the status quo'. They don't analyse anything past a surface level'.

                For many years, the status quo has been 'That people should not question Tyson Fury's abilities, people should not critique or question his resume on a fight by fight basis. And that people must just accept and believe all the narratives and positives stereotypes associated with his boxing abilities'.

                To conclude: It has taken three fights, for that status quo to be completely smashed up 'The the World witnessed Anthony Joshua completely obliterated, and decimate Francis Ngannou. Who was combat sports fighter, who had just beaten Tyson Fury in a 10 round fight. All the statistics of the fight, show that Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury. Ngannou landed the most power punches, inflicted the most damage and he scored knock down'.

                Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury, Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk 'Those three fights, have had a profound effect on the universal perception of Tyson Fury's abilities'.

                And going beyond those three fights, we had Otton Wallin vs Anthony Joshua and Joseph Parker vs Deontay Wilder.

                We have seen Tyson Fury beaten by two fighters, both Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk. We have seen other Heavyweights fighters, smash up and completely dominate fighters who have pushed Tyson Fury in close fights.

                If people regard themselves as serious boxer supporters or analyst, YOU don't just Passover those events 'Because every single fight matters. Yes certain fights have a greater importance than others, but overall? Every single fight matters, because it is all evidence and competitive information that can be investigated'.

                More people within the boxing community now, are not passing over the competitive landscape in the Heavyweight Division 'All the top level boxing events, that relate to Tyson Fury that have happened over the past almost 2 years have effected the perception that boxing fans have of Tyson Fury'.

                That is why certain folk now in the boxing community, are not so quick 'To just back Tyson Fury for a win against Oleksandr Uysk'.

                But for sure Tyson Fury in my opinion, still has the ability to win etc.



                Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 09-07-2024, 10:26 AM.

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                • elfag
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                  #38
                  Immediately after the fight, i thought fury had a great chance. in the middle rounds he was landing routinely on Usyk in ways that i never seen anyone else do before. But then he got tired. I think he needs a stoppage because i dont think he can beat usyk using any method that also conserves energy.

                  but fury had back to back training camps for that fight, remember he got injured and they moved the fight, he was training for like half a year. we already seen him getting trashed and carried out a bar since the end of the fight. he is only going to be older and likely heavier next fight.

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                  • CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart
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                    #39
                    I don't believe that nobody is giving Fury a chance in the rematch.

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                    • Poet682025
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by MikeyMike100
                      Why is no one giving Fury a chance in the rematch?​
                      Because Fury su cks

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