Comments Thread For: The welterweight division is broken

[BustedKnuckles]

Spence left WW because Boots was fighting in this division. Crawford left as well to face other champions and make history. Both Spence and Crawford did not want to face Boots. He provides too tough of a fight for them at this stage in their careers. The WW division would be revived if all of the email champions fought each other. People are afraid to lose their "0s". The same would happen to 154 if Boots went to that division. No one will fight him in that division as well. The promoters and greedy fighters have changed the way boxing is perceived these days.

Canelo can change this by accepting the Benavidez and Morrell fights and taking his beatings like a man. If the top dog in boxing were to get some balls then it would trickle down to the smaller and lesser known fighters and boxing would be more popular again.

But Boots could be fighting anybody, 3 x year. Somebody will accept. So if the Top 3 or 4 guys don't want it, move down the list until the next guy does. That's what everybody ought be doing, though it's been said before.

And instead these guys are trying to jump to the #1 guy or fight nobodies, both for big money.

And Canelo is just holding belts hostage at this point, and has been since after Bivol, at least. Except for a cherry pick gone wrong, he prob wont lose them before retiring.

[kafkod]

I meant that he has been avoiding top fighters, just like Davis and Andrade have done in their own careers. Not that he avoided fights with those two. And it's pretty clear that Hearn can't afford to pay more than a couple mill for fights, no matter the opponent, which doesn't suggest he's a major financial draw.

Ok, I misunderstood what you meant there.

According to what I read, Boots got $3million for his last fight. I guess Matchroom must be overpaying him, but he's a lot bigger financial draw than Chukadzian, so there's no reason why Eddie would want to bid high for a fight between them. If the fight goes ahead, Chukadzian's promoter will be paying him. All Hearn has to worry about is topping up Boots' purse.

[kiaba360]

Ok, I misunderstood what you meant there.

According to what I read, Boots got $3million for his last fight. I guess Matchroom must be overpaying him, but he's a lot bigger financial draw than Chukadzian, so there's no reason why Eddie would want to bid high for a fight between them. If the fight goes ahead, Chukadzian's promoter will be paying him. All Hearn has to worry about is topping up Boots' purse.

Ennis' last purse vs. Crowley/Avanesyan was also based on a purse bid. We don't know what Ennis' contract minimum is.

[kafkod]

Ennis' last purse vs. Crowley/Avanesyan was also based on a purse bid. We don't know what Ennis' contract minimum is.

There is no doubt that Ennis vs Crowley would have sold much better than Ennis vs Chukadzian, given that Crowley was undefeated and Ennis already beat Chukadzian easily last year. Ennis is rumoured to be on a $3million guarantee with Matchroom. If that's true then he must have been willing to forgo a big % of his guarantee to offer Norman $1.75 million, which Eddie Hearn hinted at in an interview I watched.

[crimsonfalcon07]

There is no doubt that Ennis vs Crowley would have sold much better than Ennis vs Chukadzian, given that Crowley was undefeated and Ennis already beat Chukadzian easily last year. Ennis is rumoured to be on a $3million guarantee with Matchroom. If that's true then he must have been willing to forgo a big % of his guarantee to offer Norman $1.75 million, which Eddie Hearn hinted at in an interview I watched.

If he's got a 3 million guarantee, why did Matchroom only bid half that for the fight?

[BrankoB]

Boot's best bet overall will be find some way to get one belt at 154 before Crawford collects them all, likely IBF. To do so, be willing to overpay or cut down your purse if needed. Boots at 154 with the final belt for Crawford to become three division undisputed will suddenly make him a super hot commodity for Crawford, and that match will more than make up for money lost overpaying for IBF belt in the long run.

That is the only way Crawford will be interested in fighting Boots. The question is - how likely is Boots to take a pay cut and/or how likely is Eddie to overpay for a belt at 154?

[kiaba360]

There is no doubt that Ennis vs Crowley would have sold much better than Ennis vs Chukadzian, given that Crowley was undefeated and Ennis already beat Chukadzian easily last year. Ennis is rumoured to be on a $3million guarantee with Matchroom. If that's true then he must have been willing to forgo a big % of his guarantee to offer Norman $1.75 million, which Eddie Hearn hinted at in an interview I watched.

I think MR bid so much for Ennis/Crowley because they knew PBC would be interested in the match-up as well.

[kafkod]

If he's got a 3 million guarantee, why did Matchroom only bid half that for the fight?

They didn't need to win the bid and they maybe didn't even want to win it. The more they bid, the more they would have to pay Chukadzian if they won. So far as I know, there's no law that says a promoter can't pay their fighter extra money on top of his purse bid split. So let Chukadzian's promoter win the bid and pay part of Boots' guarantee for them. That's if the fight even happens. It's looking like Boots might relinquish the belt and move up to 154.

[kafkod]

I think MR bid so much for Ennis/Crowley because they knew PBC would be interested in the match-up as well.

Yeah, that's possible.

[BustedKnuckles]

Bad timing for Boots. All the stars left and all he can do is keep whining. He was too long without a real promotional company and his fate is similar to Prograis.

There I fixed it for you.