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  • #41
    If a Champion, does not adhere to the mandated requirements of being a Champion 'Then they should not be able to hold the World Title. The IBF in my opinion, have made ultimately the right decision in forcing Oleksandr Uysk to vacate the IBF Title and elevating Daniel Dubios into a World Champion'.

    It is a unfortunate situation that Oleksandr Uysk has found himself in, and one that I don't believe is entirely his own fault 'Because if Tyson Fury would not of withdrew from their Undisputed title fight twice, Oleksandr Uysk potentially would be been able to fight his mandatory challenger and defend his IBF title'.

    But even still? If Oleksandr Uysk wanted to keep his IBF World titles, there was nothing stopping him from actually fighting his mandatory IBF opponent before his rematch with Tyson Fury.

    Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

    But Sugar Ray Robinson had 201 fights in total. Henry Armstrong had 183 fights, once upon a time? Armstrong fought 27 times in one year.

    Muhammad Ali got his jaw broken by Ken Norton in their first fight 'And even after such a injury, the rematch was less than 6 months later'.

    The point I am trying to make is? If Oleksandr Uysk wanted to really keep the IBF title 'Then although yes, it would be a challenge for him. But there was nothing stopping him from fighting his mandatory challenger for the IBF title, before his rematch with Tyson Fury'.

    If people believe that Oleksandr Uysk is the real IBF Champion, then here is what we can do? Oleksandr Uysk fights the winner of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois.

    This should be a very easy move to make, if Oleksandr Uysk is that good 'If Anthony Joshua and Daniel Dubois are such push overs, then make the fight against the victor of the contest'.

    Note: I have stated this before? Nobody within the boxing community would be surprised if Daniel Dubois does not make it past the 3rd round vs Anthony Joshua 'So once again Joshua potentially is going to be making a substantial statement with his boxing performance. Another potential performance which applies serious pressure to the other top two Heavyweight fighters in the sport, Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury'.

    To conclude: The IBF have made the right decision, it is a unfortunate situation that Oleksandr Uysk has found himself in 'And one that I don't believe is entirely his fault. Because if Tyson Fury would not of withdrew from their scheduled undisputed title fight twice, then Oleksandr Uysk would of potentially be able to fight his mandatory challenger and defend his IBF World title'.

    But regardless, if Oleksandr Uysk really wanted to keep his IBF World title 'Then he could of fought his mandatory challenger, before his rematch against Tyson Fury. Make no doubt about it, that would of been a challenge but? If we go back in boxing history, there would of been fighters who in my opinion would have no issue with fighting at that sort of frequency'.

    If Oleksandr Uysk believe he has been treated unjustifiable, if he believes that he is the IBF World Champion 'Then he makes the fight with the victor if Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois fight'.

    This situation is actually creating more business for Oleksandr Uysk or Tyson Fury 'So what is the issue here. I think the issue is that, people are apprehensive at prospect of Anthony Joshua winning the IBF World title'.

    Because like I have stated before 'Anthony Joshua is the only double jeopardy threat in the Heavyweight Division, he is the one of the most component and proven skill for skill pure boxers and also? Anthony Joshua is one of the most proven power punchers in the division. No other Heavyweight in the division has that combination of attributes and level of threat at such a high level, Anthony Joshua is the only one'.

    'That if Joshua combines and utilizes all of his power, it is over for all of these top level Heavyweights'. The only way Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk can get out of this situation, is if they don't fight Joshua.

    There is a difference in the level of threat, and jeopardy between Fury, Uysk and Joshua. If Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk execute their best performances, they are wining fights on points and maybe they will force a stoppage. If Anthony Joshua execute's his best performances, it is over. Joshua is obliterating, decimating and destroying all of these other top level Heavyweights' etc.​











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    • #42
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

      But even still? If Oleksandr Uysk wanted to keep his IBF World titles, there was nothing stopping him from actually fighting his mandatory IBF opponent before his rematch with Tyson Fury.
      Rematch clauses usually don't permit fighters to take interim fights. I suspect he'd get sued for breach of contract if he tried to fight Dubois.

      And it's ****** in this circumstance. Both the guys fighting for his title already lost to him in the ring. And it's not like the IBF actually follows its own rules. How many times did Spence defend against an IBF mandatory in 4 years before losing it to Bud? How many times has Canelo defended against an IBF mandatory? In both of those cases, there's an undefeated contender who hasn't already fought the champ. But they're not ordering those fights. But when you've got a champ who's already beaten both top contenders, suddenly now you want them to follow the rules?

      No.

      In no way is this this right decision. Even if IBF were actually good about following the rules, this is EXACTLY the situation to make an exception. I wouldn't be surprised if this decision came from someone having slipped them an envelope under the table to try to get AJ a title again. Usyk beat AJ twice already, and stopped Dubois with a jab. Come on, now.

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      • #43
        I mostly agree with Chris, except for the comparison he made of his situation to this one. The IBF stripped him of his JWW title when he moved up to WW to fight Pacquiao. Usyk won the undisputed HW championship vs Fury and is scheduled to rematch him in December. It seems so unjust that the rematch won't be for the undisputed title again, especially considering that the first fight was the first of its kind in 25 years. After winning the rare title, Usyk should be able to defend it at least ONCE!

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        • #44
          Chris,

          Thank you for saying this. The good fights sell themselves. It doesn't do any good to call a fight a world championship when it really isn't. Dubois v Joshua is a good fight between high ranking contenders. Whoever wins will be (next?) in line for the World's championship. The *real World's championship.

          Think about what what that means. To be the champion of the world in your weight class. The best boxer on the *planet. That's an incredibly special thing. And those who care about boxing ought to guard that status with *jealousy.

          Thanks again,
          Dan
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          • #45
            Originally posted by kafkod
            The winner of AJ vs Dubois is going to fight the winner of the Usyk vs Fury rematch next which will re-unite the belts, so the IBF stripping Usyk is nothing to be concerned about.

            As long as the money is there to induce the top HWs to fight each other we will not see another situation like we had with the WBC belt, when Sulaiman conspired with first Wilder then Fury, enabling them to avoid fighting any of the other belt holders while using main stream and social media propaganda to persuade fans that they didn't need to, because the WBC belt was the only one that mattered.
            Can you imagine Usyk v AJ III which is very probable? I can’t.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by MulaKO View Post

              Really ??
              I thought he sounded like a yes man at the beginning of the fight and then eased in but still favouring the in house fighter
              It was early in the broadcast of the undercard he referred to something as BS in terms of a fighter. Censors just let it roll since it was on ESPN+.

              As for Algieri, I expect every commentator to be biased to their employee, I just would prefer them to keep it subtle. Also, it seemed Algieri was occupying the time that Bradley normally would be handling so I consider him to be an upgrade.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by PBR Streetgang View Post

                It was early in the broadcast of the undercard he referred to something as BS in terms of a fighter. Censors just let it roll since it was on ESPN+.

                As for Algieri, I expect every commentator to be biased to their employee, I just would prefer them to keep it subtle. Also, it seemed Algieri was occupying the time that Bradley normally would be handling so I consider him to be an upgrade.
                Lmfao at your take of him occupying the Bradley time
                Anyway maybe he rubbed me wrong but just felt like he should of been a tall fresh new take and I thought not

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                • #48
                  Everyone criticising the IBF for following their own rules.

                  Presumably then you're happy with the WBC's behaviour? No mandatory in two years, a fake eliminator called between Ruiz and the guy their champion just beat, sanctioning their champion to fight a non-boxer.

                  The orgs are regularly criticised on here for making it up as they go. On this occasion it's the fans wanting to make up the rules as long as they like the outcome.

                  At least some of us have stayed consistent.

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                  • #49
                    IBF is like the opposite of WBC. WBC protects the sport’s cash cows and allows them to do as they please. IBF ruins fights and their supposed rules just leads to good champions being stripped and crap fighters fighting for their belt. IBF are probably #1 in producing paper champs.

                    AJ vs Dubois isn’t a crap fight though, and if Fury beats Usyk and AJ beats Dubois, it works out to be another undisputed fight between two top fighters of the sport. But if Usyk beats Fury again, i’m not sure who’s going to care about Usyk vs AJ III or Dubois II. Maybe Usyk vs Dubois has some drama built into it due to the supposed stoppage that was robbed from Dubois. But at the end of the day, Usyk already beat both of them.

                    Maybe if Usyk wins, he relinquishes all the belts and retires and the belts spread across the world like Dragon Balls after they’re used for a wish.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

                      Rematch clauses usually don't permit fighters to take interim fights. I suspect he'd get sued for breach of contract if he tried to fight Dubois.

                      And it's ****** in this circumstance. Both the guys fighting for his title already lost to him in the ring. And it's not like the IBF actually follows its own rules. How many times did Spence defend against an IBF mandatory in 4 years before losing it to Bud? How many times has Canelo defended against an IBF mandatory? In both of those cases, there's an undefeated contender who hasn't already fought the champ. But they're not ordering those fights. But when you've got a champ who's already beaten both top contenders, suddenly now you want them to follow the rules?

                      No.

                      In no way is this this right decision. Even if IBF were actually good about following the rules, this is EXACTLY the situation to make an exception. I wouldn't be surprised if this decision came from someone having slipped them an envelope under the table to try to get AJ a title again. Usyk beat AJ twice already, and stopped Dubois with a jab. Come on, now.
                      That is all speculation, but regardless? Oleksandr Uysk vacated the title 'And like I stated before ? If he believes that he is the IBF World Champion, and he has been treated unjustifiably. Then all he needs to do is fight the victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois'.

                      What is the issue? What are people all apprehensive about? I think, I know what prospect people are apprehensive of arising 'Anthony Joshua becoming the IBF World Champion again, and forcing ether Oleksandr Uysk or Tyson Fury from fighting him'.

                      If they are such push over fighters 'Then it should be a easy fight, and if Anthony Joshua wins. Then that fight is the biggest business opportunity available for Oleksandr Uysk in boxing'.

                      ​​​​​​Also lets get this right, Oleksandr Uysk may have beaten Anthony Joshua twice 'But his wins were not conclusive to the point where, people are prettified for the well being of Anthony Joshua if he ever fights Oleksandr Uysk again'. Uysk is having a difficult time beating these other top level Heavyweights, which is a great feat to achieve but? Stop trying to over exaggerated his Heavyweight reign, Oleksandr Uysk is not doing what Mike Tyson did during the late 1980's as a Champion'.

                      The decision has came from Oleksandr Uysk not being able to adhere to the mandated requirements as a IBF World Champion 'Oleksandr Uysk should of fought his mandatory challenger, but he has not. Therefore there is no way, he should be able to hold onto the IBF World title'.

                      If the IBF called for the fight to happen, then? Oleksandr Uysk if he really wanted to keep his IBF World title 'Could of fought his mandatory challenger. Why else is the IBF boxing organisation calling for a mandatory fight, if they know Oleksandr Uysk is unable to make the fight? It is clear that if he really wanted to, he could of defended his IBF World title before fighting Tyson Fury in their rematch'.

                      There is no such thing as expectations when following the rules 'Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

                      But regardless of all of this feats of achievement, the boxing game moves on 'Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion could of fought harder to defend his IBF World title. Uysk has vacated this title, he has not fought to hold onto the Title'.

                      Deontay Wilder for all people may mock him, both inside and outside of the ring 'Deontay Wilder went above and beyond the limit to defend his WBC World Heavyweight Title, it took a tribology fight with Tyson Fury and battles outside the ring to eventually abdicate the WBC World Heavyweight title from him'.

                      Note: We have not seen that type of effort or fight from Oleksandr Uysk to keep the IBF World Heavyweight title. If Oleksandr Uysk believes that he has been treated badly, if he has been treated unjustifiably then Uysk could of taken his case and fight to a very high place 'And Oleksandr Uysk has a case, because like I said? If Tyson Fury did not pull out of their scheduled Undisputed fight twice, then Oleksandr Uysk potentially may have been able to fight his mandatory challenger and defend his IBF World title'.

                      Sugar Ray Robinson fought Jake LaMotta a total of six times, Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier and Ken Norton Three times.

                      The point I am trying to make is? Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, his feats of achievement are within this current era of boxing unprecedented. But at Heavyweight his nearest competition, has not disappeared 'Because you do not beat fighters like Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua on points, then expect them to disappear. This has been their Heavyweight era, since the retirement of Wladimir Kiltschko their have been three Heavyweight Mountains. Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'.

                      To conclude: The IBF World Heavyweight titles have been vacated. Oleksandr Uysk vacated the titles. But if he believes that he is the IBF Champion, then he will fight the victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois. Great as a Champion and fighter Oleksandr Uysk, the boxing game moves on 'Uysk was unable to adhere to the mandatory requirements as a IBF World Champion, therefore he was not allowed to hold onto the title' etc.





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