Canelo’s Resume vs Pacquiao’s Resume

[uppercut510]

They're not both greats. Only one. Could you show me his greatness?

We just see it different, i think they are both great... maybe a bit overyhyped by fans tho

[garfios]

We just see it different, i think they are both great... maybe a bit overyhyped by fans tho

I know for a fact that we all can see one thing different, but numbers, quality, suspension, cherrypick and clauses could and tell a story.

[SouthpawRight]

I know for a fact that we all can see one thing different, but numbers, quality, suspension, cherrypick and clauses could and tell a story.

Alvarez is atg

Just not that Mayweather level capable of schooling greats and hall of famers

[IceTrayDaGang]

Yeah it's pretty good.

On what planet is that "dominating a new WW era"?

For starts, Broner and Vargas aren't top WW's and they weren't of the new era either. Bradley was a top WW, but he wasn't of the new era of WW's either. Thurman was of the new era, and that's the only win he has over the new WW era of the time.

The new Era of WW's at that time were Brook, Spence, Porter, Crawford, Thurman. He fought one of them whilst they all fought each other mostly.

After that KO to Marquez, he was never #1 at WW ever again, he lost to Mayweather, then lost to Jeff Horn, whilst picking up some good wins but was never close to "dominating" and was barely even in the picture in all honesty, hovered around the #4-#5 mark while all the actual new era were fighting over who the next guy would be.

So let's just stick to what actually happened as opposed to what objectively didn't.

CAP!! you just bringing up those guys because pac didnt fight them... broner, vargas, bradley, spence, TC, porter, thurman, are all consider as the new WW era..

"he was never #1 again after the KO and was just barely in the picture"??? he was still one of the top WW at the time, right after the KO from marquez!! towards his late run where he fought thurman, yes, that's when he was barely in the picture but from 2012 up until around 2018 he was still very active and in the picture.

so if going by what you said, are you admitting that floyd finally fought him because he was not the same anymore after the KO from marquez?????

[ImDominicanLipz]

CAP!! you just bringing up those guys because pac didnt fight them... broner, vargas, bradley, spence, TC, porter, thurman, are all consider as the new WW era..

"he was never #1 again after the KO and was just barely in the picture"??? he was still one of the top WW at the time, right after the KO from marquez!! towards his late run where he fought thurman, yes, that's when he was barely in the picture but from 2012 up until around 2018 he was still very active and in the picture.

so if going by what you said, are you admitting that floyd finally fought him because he was not the same anymore after the KO from marquez?????

They didn’t fight because Pacquiao didn’t want random testing and was afraid of needles. Let’s not rewrite history.

[Malvado]

JCC Whitaker and Oscar all of them are great in my book, if you dont think so who is in your list, I look at could they compete against anyone in history in their weight class I think they all could, there has been a lot of great fighters its not just a few. I agree JCC was shot when Oscar destroyed him.

Rewatching De La Hoya vs Chavez 2, I am not so sure if I wouldn't give Oscar credit to a degree.

I agree the toll of the fights and addictions taken a toll in Julio's durability and defensive reflexes, but it surprised how well he did in the rematch with a good camp, landing almost the same amount of punches, heavy handed overhands and body shots. He however did quit in the corner in 8th round due to Oscar's last punch combination despite winning the round, that gave him a cut inside the mouth and got rib injuries.

He isn't prime Chavez Sr, but he still beat some good fighters like Randall, Parisi, Gamache, Tony Lopez and had a draw with a prime Miguel Angel Gonzalez who only lost to De La Hoya at the time by UD with a record of (42-1). I would say he was shot by the time he lost to Willy Wise.

[IceTrayDaGang]

They didn’t fight because Pacquiao didn’t want random testing and was afraid of needles. Let’s not rewrite history.

CAP!! pac agreed to everything then floyd ignored him until he got KO'd by marquez then all of a sudden, floyd wanted to fight him... yeah, let's not rewrote history.

[IronDanHamza]

[QUOTE=IceTrayDaGang;n32309921]

CAP!! you just bringing up those guys because pac didnt fight them... broner, vargas, bradley, spence, TC, porter, thurman, are all consider as the new WW era.. [\QUOTE]

Spence, Crawford, Porter, Thurman were yeah. Of which he fought one.

Broner defintely not, not even a WW let alone a top one.

Vargas could say was a contender, kind of, sure.

Bradley is the previous crop of WW’s, hence why he didn’t fight any of the new ones - Spence, Crawford, Thurman, Porter, etc.

[QUOTE=IceTrayDaGang;n32309921] "he was never #1 again after the KO and was just barely in the picture"??? he was still one of the top WW at the time, right after the KO from marquez!! towards his late run where he fought thurman, yes, that's when he was barely in the picture but from 2012 up until around 2018 he was still very active and in the picture. [\QUOTE]

He wasn’t #1 ever again at WW after he got knocked I out by Marquez. That’s just a fact. I didn’t say he wasn’t a Top WW after Marquez, he was. He wasn’t only a Top WW he was a Top P4P fighter after Marquez.

What I said was he didn’t dominate the WW division after Marquez, which is a fact.

I didn’t say he wasn’t in the picture from 2012. I said he was barely in the picture after losing to Mayweather and Jeff Horn.

so if going by what you said, are you admitting that floyd finally fought him because he was not the same anymore after the KO from marquez?????

No.

[Roadblock]

CAP!! pac agreed to everything then floyd ignored him until he got KO'd by marquez then all of a sudden, floyd wanted to fight him... yeah, let's not rewrote history.

God dam you still cant see the light don't you understand living a lie does not serve you, Ive never seen people with denial so embedded, you dont change stuff around and call it agreeing.

[The D3vil]

Pacquiao by a LARGE margin.

Unlike Floyd & Canelo, Pac didn't get to cherry pick when & where he got to fight all of his best opponents.

Guy hasn't fought in his home country, in almost 20 years.

He fought damn near everybody, usually in their home country or in a neutral site.

Guy's an ATG