Comments Thread For: Fury 'Not Bothered' by Loss of IBF Title for Rematch With Usyk

[Tonyu]

All you so called boxing fans must remember your feelings don't run boxing. These promoters must stop ruining the sport and stick to promoting these so called endless rematch clauses is what's ruining the sport, all the IBF is doing is enforcing their rules. It's hilarious watching you butt hurt boxing fans whose having a melt down on here.

[Boxviewer]

What is undisputed is the fact Usyk beat both guys vying for the title and never lost the belt in the ring.

To my mind that makes Usyk still undisputed.

It doesn't matter how he lost the belt the fact remains that he's no longer the undisputed heavyweight champion. It was his choice not to honour his mandatory obligation and relinquish his undisputed status, you can't eat your cake and have it. If AJ didn't honour his mandatory obligation towards him and dropped the belt he wouldn't have been able to fight for the undisputed championship in the first place. Your sentiments or perception do not count in the record books nor has anything to do with the rules of the sport.

And whether he has beaten both guys in the past is totally irrelevant because past results are no guarantee of future results. Sometimes it's all about timing, he fought AJ when he was mentally weak and lacked confidence, it's not an excuse but a well known fact in the boxing community. And that is the main reason why AJ is eager to face him again now. Though I am not saying AJ is going beat him if they fight again but he does have a better chance now to beat him than when they fought in the past.

Usyk is the last undisputed heavyweight champion but he's no longer the undisputed heavyweight champion. That's my point and what the record books say.

[pollywog]

Nah...Usyk is still the undisputed champion until someone beats him. It really is that simple.

[thack]

Nah...Usyk is still the undisputed champion until someone beats him. It really is that simple.

The way things are this is no surprise.... strange times , strange people BUT...................................... It really is that simple.

[Toffee]

Nah...Usyk is still the undisputed champion until someone beats him. It really is that simple.

He's the man. The lineal champion. The best in the division. The best in the world.

You can call him lots of things... but not the undisputed champion.

He had a mandatory that he isn't facing... and such orders are, well, mandatory. They're mandated. So he's not the IBF champion anymore. That's exactly how it works.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I remember when Fury kept saying in interviews he was simple man who wanted to live in a caravan far away from people and then the next moment was doing his own reality TV show. Let's just not listen to anything he says anymore

He's the man. The lineal champion. The best in the division. The best in the world.

You can call him lots of things... but not the undisputed champion.

He had a mandatory that he isn't facing... and such orders are, well, mandatory. They're mandated. So he's not the IBF champion anymore. That's exactly how it works.

Surely Usyk is contracted to face Fury in the rematch? No one wants to do a rematch once they've already won. It's only the loser who ever wants it. That's why i think the IBF needed to cut them both some more slack.

Still is good for the sport. The Saudis are now clearly trying to set up Fury Vs AJ - they did that video call between Fury and AJ to get the hype started. AJ was saying to Fury "Win or lose (our next fights) we still fight". All we really need to see is fights.

[Left Hook Louie]

These pics of Fury's giant lima bean head getting bludgeoned are rather gruesome.
I think there will be lots more of that in the rematch.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Has Anthony Joshua when he was unified Champion, ever not fought a mandatory challenger? Joshua fought all of his mandatory opponents, therefore he was the WBA, WBO, IBF AND IBO World Heavyweight Champion until he was beaten by Oleksandr Uysk.

If Oleksandr Uysk did not adhere to the requirements and mandates as a IBF Champion, then he should not be able to hold onto the title. It is a unfortunate situation, that I don't believe was Oleksandr Uysk's own fault entirely 'Because if Tyson Fury would not of withdrew from their scheduled undisputed fight twice? Uysk may have potentially be able to fight his mandatory oponent for the IBF Title'.

People must also understand, that it is the fighters who bring prestige and honor to World titles 'The World titles especially in boxing, do not automatically bring prestige, honor and respect to fighters. The WBO Boxing organisation was once regarded as a lower level organisation, but over time as fighters fought in their organisation prestige and honor was bestowed upon the titles'.

Great fighters such as Chris Eubank Senior, Steve Collins, Joe Cazlaghe, Wladimir Kiltschko 'All of those great fighters, are what made the World titles'.

What defines a Champion is their actions and conduct, Anthony Joshua since the retirement of Wladimir Kiltschko 'Has been the greatest Champion of this Heavyweight era, it was Joshua who held most of the World Championship belts and fought the highest number of top level Heavyweights'.

And Daniel Dubois with his recent performances, has definitively earned his position as a World title Challenger 'Joshua vs Dubois is regardless of titles a top level fight, and a contest which will be bring prestige and honor to the IBF Title'.

If people have a issue with the fight, if you all think that the game is being unjust towards Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury 'If both of those fighters believe that they are the best fighters in the Heavyweight Division, then they will fight the victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois IBF title fight'.

But I do sense that, if Anthony Joshua win's the IBF title 'I honestly believe that Joshua's critics are extremely apprehensive, with the prospect of him fighting ether Oleksandr Uysk for the third time or Tyson Fury'.

Because I have stated this before? Anthony Joshua is the only double jeopardy threat in the Heavyweight Division. Joshua is one of the most proven and component pure boxers in the Heavyweight Division, and he is also one of the most proven power punchers in the Division. Outside of Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua at the least? Can be rated as the third best skill for skill pure boxer in the sport, but after the Fury vs Uysk I fight 'There is a definitive debate, that Joshua can be rated as the second best overall skill for skill boxer in the Heavyweight Division'.

Anthony Joshua at any given time during his top level Heavyweight career, since he became Champion 'Has always been considered as one of the best power punchers in the Division. Throughout the years he has consistently been regarded as a top-3 rated power puncher in the division. And currently right now as we speak? The most power punchers in the Division are Zhelei Zhang, Daneil Dubois and Anthony Joshua. At the very least, you have to rate Joshua as the number 3 most proven power punchers in the division 'But in reality Anthony Joshua is ether most likely rated at Number 1 or 2 on a fight by fight basis'.

That is what I mean when I say Anthony Joshua is a double jeopardy threat 'Joshua is the only double jeopardy threat in the entire Heavyweight Division. No other Heavyweight fighter has that combination of attributes and game at a high level. Joshua is the only one'.

Note: Once Anthony Joshua combines and utilises all of his power, nobody who is honest with themselves would be surprised if Daniel Dubois does not make it past the 3rd round vs Anthony Joshua. And in regard to all the other top level Heavyweights in the division a similar perception can be envisioned, Zhilei Zhang, Joseph Parker, Filip Hrgovic, Agit Kabayel, Andy Ruiz Junior, it will be over for all of these fighters'.

I believe this is the difference between Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk 'If Fury and Uysk execute their best fights, they may sometimes be able to force a stoppage vs other top level fighters. But a lot of the times people are surprised when this event occurs at the conclusion of the fight'.

When Joshua executes his best fight, his opponents are ether being severely beaten up, obliterated, decimated and destroyed 'This is the difference in the level of threat'.

To conclude: It is the fighters who bring prestige and honor to titles, Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois as a individual fight is a top level fight. It is a unfortunate situation that Oleksandr Uysk has fought himself in, but if he was unable to adhere to the requirements and mandates as a IBF Champion, then he should not be able to hold onto the title etc.


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[The Big Dunn]

The rules have to be applied equally and fairly, I thunk it's the right move by the IBF, yes Dubois is rightfully seen as a lesser champion but long term, following their own rules is good for the IBF, doing favours to fighters based on status has lead to the WBC having a dreadful reputation.

I don’t have any issue. The IBF isn’t wrong in any way.

I just think they have devalued their belt because their rules will end up putting the belt on 2 guys Usyk beat clearly.

Besides, Usyk is seen as the champ regardless.

[Willow The Wisp]

Undistuted is nice. Play ball with all the hucksters. Noting permanent about it. Usyk lasted a month.
The media made a big deal about it, but thay aren't Boxing guys.
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Hardened boxing people know that at heavyweight, the linial title is tight. All that matters.