Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

[Poopdick]

silly but really don't matter. Usyk #1. everyone else, isnt

[pollywog]

The MMA guy is best not mentioned in boxing circles and his fights vs Fury and Joshua shouldnt be counted against their records.

Take that away and Joshy has a record in his last 3 fights of an overmatched sparring partner, a late replacement fall guy and a shot journeyman.

The guy has fought 1 exhibition round in the last year...Go the WBC!!!

Lol.

[richardt]

I enjoyed seeing that showboating bastard in the picture above get the grin wiped the FK off his face by Usyk.

[Oregonian]

But he avenged that loss and his other two losses were decision losses to the undisputed champ Usyk, who was unlucky not to get a stoppage win over Fury in the 9th round.

Rightly or wrongly, their reasoning probably goes that AJ has more convincing victories over common opponents in recent times (ie Wallin and Ngannou), and AJ also isn’t coming off a loss. Additionally, given Fury’s more apparent vulnerability of late in getting knocked down multiple times, bookmakers odds on the outcome of a Fury-AJ fight have changed considerably. And as already mentioned, those wins over Wilder have lost their shine given Wilder’s abject performances since (think Calzaghe’s win over then IBF champ Lacy, who was badged as the super-middle Mike Tyson).

At the end of the day, nobody can definitively say which current version of AJ and Fury should be ranked above the other until they fight each other or if Fury avenges his loss against Usyk. Arguments can be made either way, so arguing that having AJ over Fury is corrupt and/or nonsensical means you’re either ignorant, biased, insincere or any combination of the three.

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Based on how you wrote, I really cannot argue against you. It’s very logical and neutral.

I was just responding specifically to this, “ not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years.”.

That was not a neutral response at all. You are right, arguments can be made for either.
More important, what if Fury knocks out Usyk in the rematch? Is he back to numero uno?

[greeneye99]

The MMA guy is best not mentioned in boxing circles and his fights vs Fury and Joshua shouldnt be counted against their records.

Take that away and Joshy has a record in his last 3 fights of an overmatched sparring partner, a late replacement fall guy and a shot journeyman.

The guy has fought 1 exhibition round in the last year...Go the WBC!!!

Lol.

That's right bud
But You forgot to mention AJ beating up that other sparring partner Joseph Parker
Heh

[greeneye99]

AJ damn near got KO'd by Whyte...Fury destroyed him without even trying. The rest of the names on that list are obese, old, or both, except Parker, who did absolutely nothing in that fight. I would say Fury beating Wilder at the time he did is more impressive than any of those names. Ruiz didn't look very good vs ancient Areola or Ortiz...2 guys that Wilder KO'd a combined 3 times before they got even older.

Fury destroyed Fury without even trying?
Buddy Fury had to fight Chisora 3 times ....
Only got the KO once
Lololololol

[greeneye99]

talksport.com/sport/1909487/oleksandr-usyk-anthony-joshua-tyson-fury-derek-chisora-power/

I'm clicking in this Link & I still don't see it

[Willow The Wisp]

So..are you gonna ignore this then?
https://x.com/BronzeBomber/status/13...243072?lang=en

True or are you saying that Wilder is full of s.hit too?

My opinion is that Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz and Usyk are all tremendous fighters, with Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Joyce, Parker, Dubois and Zhang ranking just below then, to combine to make this outgoing era one of the better ones we've seen.
Let's have a hard look.


01/17/15:
Deontay Wilder defeats Bermane Stiverne to win the WBC belt.
Wilder would defend that belt 10 times successfully.


11/28/15:
Tyson Fury defeats Wladimir Klitschko for the linial Heavyweight championship of the world, and picks up the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO belts in the process. Fury would defend as linial champion 9 times.

04/09/16
Anthony Joshua defeats Charles Martin to win the IBF belt, his first. He would go on to collect the vacant WBA and IBO belts, stripped from linial champion Fury due to his medical sabbatical, by beating comebacking former champion Wladimir Klitschko in a classic on 04/29/17, and the WBO belt from Joseph Parker, 03/31/18. Joshua would defend his claim to the title a total of 7 times, which includes his collecting of additional belts.


12/01/18:
Wilder-Fury I The epic Lazarus fight.
(The no. 1 meets the re-active sitting champion). An historic, action packed draw in which Wilder performed far better than former champ Klitschko had against Fury, scoring what some considered a knockout. Both cover themselves in glory, fighting at their respective peaks. Fury displays his boxing abilities and Wilder his extraordinary power. Both retain their claim to being world's Champion.


06/01/19:
Ruiz-Joshua I Joshua, 29 and at his peak, loses his aura of invincibility and his contrived title belts, being knocked down repeatedly by the unranked replacement opponent, fringe contender Andy Ruiz.
With this, he has lost his opportunity to step up against fellow champions of the era, Wilder and Fury, as a rematch takes priority.


12/07/19:
Joshua-Ruiz II. Joshua, now ridiculed as a manufactured product due to his performance in the first meeting of these two, exacts some measure of revenge by posting a decision over a morbidly obese, 283.5 lb. version of Ruiz, and is again in the mix for a true title shot.


02/22/2020:
Fury-Wilder II Fury defeats Top titleholder Wilder on his 2nd try, effectively reconnecting his lineage to the title, and muting the title claims fashioned during his absence. Wilder, underperforming but refusing to quit, fires his trainer Mark Brealand for throwing in the towel. Wilder claims having an off-night, and his first and 3rd Fury clashes indicate that this was true, in retrospect.


10/31/2020:
Wilder baiting Fury on his X account:
"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would..."

https://x.com/BronzeBomber/status/13...243072?lang=en


10/09/21:
Fury-Wilder III Fury solidifies his claim to the linial Heavyweight Boxing Championship, beating Wilder in another give & take epic featuring multiple knockdowns scored by each. Both again cover themselves in everlasting glory, fighting for the actual world title tooth and nail, while damaging each other considerably.


9/25/21:
Usyk-Joshua I. Cruiserweight champion Usyk, in just his 3rd fight at heavyweight and an underdog, outboxes Joshua by scores of 117-112, 115-113 and 116-112, lifting the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO title recognition from Joshua, locking Joshua into another rematch against an underdog who gave him a loss.


08/20/22:
Usyk-Joshua II.
Usyk repeats the win over Joshua, who performs somewhat better, forcing a split decision this time.
Having lost three times now, Joshua's opportunity to fight Fury and Wilder appears to be over, as all three have been the leaders in the division now for 7 years.

Joshua would eventually mount a comeback that would see him return as a top heavyweight by the end of 2023.
But by then, Wilder has aged out of contender status, and soon after, the Fury era comes to and end as well as he loses a closely contested decision to Usyk via split decision, 114-113, 113-114 and 115-112. The rematch is scheduled for 12/12/24.


Wilder is a heavyweight great (or near great, if his critics insist) of the past, and Fury is obviously past his prime.
Joshua, due to his repeated losses while prime, would miss out on an opportunity to join with Wilder and Fury while in their respective primes to settle their business together.


What have we learned through this careful study of the actual chronology of fights in the ring, uninterrupted by opinion???
There WILL be a quiz.

[Willow The Wisp]

LMAO between two evenly matched foes? A trilogy where Wilder escaped with a draw in the first fight (against a Fury still on the comeback trail after 2 years out), got dominated throughout the 2nd fight and brutally knocked out in the 3rd after being miles down on the scorecards? And it’s me that is illogical? You’ve actually lost your mind if you genuinely believe what you’ve posted.

Are you going to answer my question about your hypocrisy when referring to Wilder’s age, while ignoring Ortiz’s age, and also Zhang’s age when beating Wilder?

So everyone ages the same, is what you're pinning your case on. Ever been to a title fight?

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder didn't age out, he was 33 and lost the first time he fought outside of the PBC stable of recycled nobodies and old men. Wilder had a right hand and no skills long before he fought Tyson Fury. Wilder didn't age out he stepped up.

That is the weakest argument ever. Disproven by facts presented in this very thread. And some other casual fans agree with your silly claim, as they tend to. He and Fury ruined each other, quite obviously. This is boxing and these things happen frequently; and that's how a 2nd tier, Joyce stepping stone like Parker got the win.

Zhang? Would have been tough for even a 29 year old Wilder.

If Joshua didn't waste years losing to those underdogs, maybe he'd have earned a shot at proving himself against the other two champions of his era.
But his losses left him outside the winner's circle.