Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

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I'm not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years. Oh a Derek Chisora for a 3rd time.

That's literally fraud Fury's best wins in recent years. Wilder got exposed brutally by Zhilei Zhang and Parker.

In the same time AJ has beaten Ruiz, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Povetkin etc.

AJ damn near got KO'd by Whyte...Fury destroyed him without even trying. The rest of the names on that list are obese, old, or both, except Parker, who did absolutely nothing in that fight. I would say Fury beating Wilder at the time he did is more impressive than any of those names. Ruiz didn't look very good vs ancient Areola or Ortiz...2 guys that Wilder KO'd a combined 3 times before they got even older.

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I'm not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years. Oh a Derek Chisora for a 3rd time.

That's literally fraud Fury's best wins in recent years. Wilder got exposed brutally by Zhilei Zhang and Parker.

In the same time AJ has beaten Ruiz, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Povetkin etc.

The Wilder that Parker and Zhang beat is NOT the Wilder that fought Fury. In fact, the three wars vs Fury, the layoffs and his advancing age are what made the difference in the Parker and Zhang fights. I'm not a crazy Wilder fan, but neither of those guys wanted him when he was prime.

[Blackstarr]

You're in WAY over your head here, inferring that Fury vs. Wilder wasn't an incredibly brusing trillogy between two evenly matched foes, and that all fighters somehow age the same.

Patently illogical support of an illogical stance.

Weak, weak.

LMAO between two evenly matched foes? A trilogy where Wilder escaped with a draw in the first fight (against a Fury still on the comeback trail after 2 years out), got dominated throughout the 2nd fight and brutally knocked out in the 3rd after being miles down on the scorecards? And it’s me that is illogical? You’ve actually lost your mind if you genuinely believe what you’ve posted.

Are you going to answer my question about your hypocrisy when referring to Wilder’s age, while ignoring Ortiz’s age, and also Zhang’s age when beating Wilder?

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Fury loses one fight to Usyk, so he gets ranked beneath a guy (DuBois) who quit vs Usyk and another whom Oleksandr beat twice? AND he (AJ) got stopped by a guy (Ruiz) who never became a champion again? FOH!

[factsarenice]

Wilder was never "Exposed". He Aged out.

The age at fist loss statistics below break free of the fighter hate and unwieldy opinions posted all over this board.

This serves as a correction.
Smart people will announce "Well, ya; I didn't see it that way until now".

****** people will let their Wilder dislike, America envy or their racisim continue to supercede their ability to reason, and attempt to rationalize the stats with some "insights" about relative quality of opposition horse crap.
Quality of....Ross Purity, Andy Ruiz???

Regardless, the Fury and Wilder haters sure had to wait a long time for Fury and Wilder to get "Exposed". That's for sure.

Fury:
Held the one lineal world championship throught the 2015 - 2025 era until very near the end. He won that title from long time belt collecting champion Wladimir Klitschko and twice beat the best challenger of the era (Who wasn't getting knocked out by unranked opponents), Wilder.


Wilder:
10 defenses, a draw with Fury way back before Wilder ruined him & it meant something, two KOs over top contenders (when Wilder fought them) Ortiz x2.


Let's get real for a moment here.

Age when they first caught a "beat down", or suffered a (non-controversial decision) defeat as a pro:

Heavyweight Star Name, Age at first solid loss, to whom



Buster Douglas, 20 v. Bey
Wladimir Klitschko, 22 v. Purity
Mike Tyson, 23 v. Douglas
Shannon Briggs, 24 v. Wilson
Joseph Parker, 25 v. Joshua
Leon Spinks, 25 v. Coetzee
George Foreman, 25 v. Ali
Rid**** Bowe, 26 v. Holyfield II
Michael Moorer, 27 v. Foreman
Dillian Whyte, 27 v. Joshua
Vitali Klitschko, v. 28 v. Byrd
Anthony Joshua, 29 v. Ruiz
Muhammad Ali, 29 v. Frazier
Lennox Lewis, 29 v. McCall
Joe Frazier, 29 v. Foreman
Evander Holyfield, 30 v. Bowe
Michael Spinks, 31 v. Tyson
Deontay Wilder, 34 vs. Fury II
Tyson Fury, 35 v. Usyk
Luis Ortiz, 38 v. Wilder
Larry Holmes, 39 v. Tyson


Zhilei Zhang. Not Yet
Oleksandr Usyk. Not Yet

Wilder didn't age out, he was 33 and lost the first time he fought outside of the PBC stable of recycled nobodies and old men. Wilder had a right hand and no skills long before he fought Tyson Fury. Wilder didn't age out he stepped up.

[Blackstarr]

During the historic trilogy for the real title, Joshua "was exposed" by Andy Ruiz Jr.
From there AJ was outthought and beaten up by Usyk...Twice.

I'm sure that YOU wanted to get Joshua in with unbeaten Fury and Wilder, But as history records it; Hearn/Joshua wanted no such thing.

You’re a lying disgrace..why did Wilder say he turned down a fight with AJ for more money to fight Fury then on his own Twitter page? Was Wilder lying too?
https://x.com/BronzeBomber/status/13...243072?lang=en

And why did Fury announce that both he and AJ had signed contracts to fight in Saudi, before Wilder derailed those plans by suing to receive another beatdown?
https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/20...n-saudi-arabia

It’s clear you’re a clueless clown that can’t be reasoned with. Either that or you’re a shameless troll.

[factsarenice]

During the historic trilogy for the real title, Joshua "was exposed" by Andy Ruiz Jr.
From there AJ was outthought and beaten up by Usyk...Twice.

I'm sure that YOU wanted to get Joshua in with unbeaten Fury and Wilder, But as history records it; Hearn/Joshua wanted no such thing.

Wilder was offered 80-100 million to fight AJ and instead took 14 million to fight an out of shape Tyson Fury...but lets not talk about that.

In the meantime, in the real world...Anthony Joshua blasts out Wilder with relative easy. Fury now has a chance to fight AJ but it remains to be seen. Fury will either steps up or step out with a ridiculous excuse for again not fighting AJ. Time will tell.

[Willow The Wisp]

The Wilder that Parker and Zhang beat is NOT the Wilder that fought Fury. In fact, the three wars vs Fury, the layoffs and his advancing age are what made the difference in the Parker and Zhang fights. I'm not a crazy Wilder fan, but neither of those guys wanted him when he was prime.

This is astute observation my friend. Wait em' out and the fighter you've avoided will age.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder was offered 80-100 million to fight AJ and instead took 14 million to fight an out of shape Tyson Fury...but lets not talk about that.

In the meantime, in the real world...Anthony Joshua blasts out Wilder with relative easy. Fury now has a chance to fight AJ but it remains to be seen. Fury will either steps up or step out with a ridiculous excuse for again not fighting AJ. Time will tell.

Fury was in top shape, 2 fights back from sabbatical and fought an historic fight. One of his best.

Wilder was offered 80-100 million to fight AJ is a crock. Read more about it before using that crap to support your favorites.

Not trying to be cruel, but it's true that if a lie is repeated enough people will start to believe it.

Joshua has boatloads of talent, is a tried and true top heavyweight; but he was made to order for a 28 - 30 year old Wilder. And his brain trust knew it. Ruiz proved his limits.

[SouthpawRight]

Going life and death with a mma is what really did it for Fury