Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years. Oh a Derek Chisora for a 3rd time.

That's literally fraud Fury's best wins in recent years. Wilder got exposed brutally by Zhilei Zhang and Parker.

In the same time AJ has beaten Ruiz, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Povetkin etc.

Exactly this. After coming up short against Usyk, maybe they just decided to reassess their assumptions and question exactly what is he rated on.

AJ has a better resume. Seems fair to me.

[Left Hook Louie]

Here is the solution to the problem that should end all debate:

First, I take over the world to run it the way I see fit.

Then, as the sanctioning bodies are being dissolved and their owners imprisoned for fraud, Fury, AJ, Usyk, and maybe a few others participate in a tournament without delay to determine Da One and Only Heavyweight Champeen of Da Woild.

We don't need no Excellencies from Arabia to get this done. Just me in charge of Da Woild.

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years. Oh a Derek Chisora for a 3rd time.

That's literally fraud Fury's best wins in recent years. Wilder got exposed brutally by Zhilei Zhang and Parker.

In the same time AJ has beaten Ruiz, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Povetkin etc.

Wilder was never "Exposed". He Aged out.

The age at fist loss statistics below break free of the fighter hate and unwieldy opinions posted all over this board.

This serves as a correction.
Smart people will announce "Well, ya; I didn't see it that way until now".

****** people will let their Wilder dislike, America envy or their racisim continue to supercede their ability to reason, and attempt to rationalize the stats with some "insights" about relative quality of opposition horse crap.
Quality of....Ross Purity, Andy Ruiz???

Regardless, the Fury and Wilder haters sure had to wait a long time for Fury and Wilder to get "Exposed". That's for sure.

Fury:
Held the one lineal world championship throught the 2015 - 2025 era until very near the end. He won that title from long time belt collecting champion Wladimir Klitschko and twice beat the best challenger of the era (Who wasn't getting knocked out by unranked opponents), Wilder.


Wilder:
10 defenses, a draw with Fury way back before Wilder ruined him & it meant something, two KOs over top contenders (when Wilder fought them) Ortiz x2.


Let's get real for a moment here.

Age when they first caught a "beat down", or suffered a (non-controversial decision) defeat as a pro:

Heavyweight Star Name, Age at first solid loss, to whom



Buster Douglas, 20 v. Bey
Wladimir Klitschko, 22 v. Purity
Mike Tyson, 23 v. Douglas
Shannon Briggs, 24 v. Wilson
Joseph Parker, 25 v. Joshua
Leon Spinks, 25 v. Coetzee
George Foreman, 25 v. Ali
Rid**** Bowe, 26 v. Holyfield II
Michael Moorer, 27 v. Foreman
Dillian Whyte, 27 v. Joshua
Vitali Klitschko, v. 28 v. Byrd
Anthony Joshua, 29 v. Ruiz
Muhammad Ali, 29 v. Frazier
Lennox Lewis, 29 v. McCall
Joe Frazier, 29 v. Foreman
Evander Holyfield, 30 v. Bowe
Michael Spinks, 31 v. Tyson
Deontay Wilder, 34 vs. Fury II
Tyson Fury, 35 v. Usyk
Luis Ortiz, 38 v. Wilder
Larry Holmes, 39 v. Tyson


Zhilei Zhang. Not Yet
Oleksandr Usyk. Not Yet

[factsarenice]

———-
In the same time AJ took THREE losses including a KO loss to a pudgy Ruiz.

The issue is not the attributes of AJ or Fury, it’s the nonsensical reasoning the belt organizations have.

Maurcio Sulaiman's protection racket rent the WBC belt to any top five guy that pays. The only difference between the WBC and the WBA is that Sulaiman himself will personally market and shamelessly protect his money makers.

Turki Al-Sheikh seems to be the only person with the ability to bring REAL competition together but unless the sanctioning bodies are dealt with, nothing will change long term, boxing will eventually revert back to the 4 belt Mafia running their protection racket for a fee.

[Jab jab boom]

No way in hell Fury should be ranked below AJ. AJ might be the most overrated fighter in uk history. And that’s saying a lot when you consider that this is the region that produced the overrated hype of Hamed, Khan and Hatton. All of whom failed on the grand stage.

[Blackstarr]

Wilder was never "Exposed". He Aged out.

The age at fist loss statistics below break free of the fighter hate and unwieldy opinions posted all over this board.

This serves as a correction.
Smart people will announce "Well, ya; I didn't see it that way until now".

****** people will let their Wilder dislike, America envy or their racisim continue to supercede their ability to reason, and attempt to rationalize the stats with some "insights" about relative quality of opposition horse crap.
Quality of....Ross Purity, Andy Ruiz???

Regardless, the Fury and Wilder haters sure had to wait a long time for Fury and Wilder to get "Exposed". That's for sure.

Fury:
Held the one lineal world championship throught the 2015 - 2025 era until very near the end. He won that title from long time belt collecting champion Wladimir Klitschko and twice beat the best challenger of the era (Who wasn't getting knocked out by unranked opponents), Wilder.


Wilder:
10 defenses, a draw with Fury way back before Wilder ruined him & it meant something, two KOs over top contenders (when Wilder fought them) Ortiz x2.


Let's get real for a moment here.

Age when they first caught a "beat down", or suffered a (non-controversial decision) defeat as a pro:

Heavyweight Star Name, Age at first solid loss, to whom



Buster Douglas, 20 v. Bey
Wladimir Klitschko, 22 v. Purity
Mike Tyson, 23 v. Douglas
Shannon Briggs, 24 v. Wilson
Joseph Parker, 25 v. Joshua
Leon Spinks, 25 v. Coetzee
George Foreman, 25 v. Ali
Rid**** Bowe, 26 v. Holyfield II
Michael Moorer, 27 v. Foreman
Dillian Whyte, 27 v. Joshua
Vitali Klitschko, v. 28 v. Byrd
Anthony Joshua, 29 v. Ruiz
Muhammad Ali, 29 v. Frazier
Lennox Lewis, 29 v. McCall
Joe Frazier, 29 v. Foreman
Evander Holyfield, 30 v. Bowe
Michael Spinks, 31 v. Tyson
Deontay Wilder, 34 vs. Fury II
Tyson Fury, 35 v. Usyk
Luis Ortiz, 38 v. Wilder
Larry Holmes, 39 v. Tyson


Zhilei Zhang. Not Yet
Oleksandr Usyk. Not Yet

There you go again, comparing apples with oranges. Wilder turned pro at 23 and his first non journeyman fight was at 30..it stands to reason that his first loss would come at a later age than all those fighters you listed, and he was infinitely fresher 34 than all of them would’ve been at that age too, given his later start and soft fights. That aside, why do you consider Ortiz a “top contender” and credible victory at 38, while Wilder was apparently “aged out” at a younger age?

And Wilder never ruined Fury or did anything of the sort. Are you forgetting that Fury dominated and iced Whyte (who Wilder conveniently ignored), knocked out Chisora and looked the best version of himself vs Usyk, all of which came after the Wilder trilogy?

Also, I wouldn’t say Fury was exposed..he dominated inferior opponents like Whyte, Chisora and Wilder when he came prepared, and has only lost to an ATG. Wilder on the other hand has been wildly overrated, as most punchers are, and absolutely nobody can deny that he has by far the most padded record of any of the HW champs you mentioned, or indeed in modern history.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fury and AJ are,going to wait until nobody cares to see it to fight. I'm there now. That fight doesn't matter to me one bit.

A rejuvenated and younger Joshua again performing at his peak capacity Versus an end of career Fury who's been ruined by Wilder.

Of the Three multiple defences title claimants of the outgoing era:

Wilder and Fury had a violent, two-way trillogy.

Joshua hid from the other two. And got KOd for his trouble.

Wilder and Fury eventually aged out, as all fighters do.
And, They damaged each other to make that happen faster.

Joshua has re emerged after the two bullies aged each other out.

Now, Joshua will try again in the next generation.

Now, we'll see if he's on par with Daniel Dubois for starters.

Wilder vs. Joshua has left the station.
Fury vs. Joshua probably has as well.

Neither sat around doing nothing while waiting for Joshua to become relevant again.

[ultravividscene]

"Joshua hid from the other two"... while the other two were too busy fighting each other to consider taking a fight with Joshua, smh

[Willow The Wisp]

There you go again, comparing apples with oranges. Wilder turned pro at 23 and his first non journeyman fight was at 30..it stands to reason that his first loss would come at a later age than all those fighters you listed, and he was infinitely fresher 34 than all of them would’ve been at that age too, given his later start and soft fights. That aside, why do you consider Ortiz a “top contender” and credible victory at 38, while Wilder was apparently “aged out” at a younger age?

And Wilder never ruined Fury or did anything of the sort. Are you forgetting that Fury dominated and iced Whyte (who Wilder conveniently ignored), knocked out Chisora and looked the best version of himself vs Usyk, all of which came after the Wilder trilogy?

Also, I wouldn’t say Fury was exposed..he dominated inferior opponents like Whyte, Chisora and Wilder when he came prepared, and has only lost to an ATG. Wilder on the other hand has been wildly overrated, as most punchers are, and absolutely nobody can deny that he has by far the most padded record of any of the HW champs you mentioned, or indeed in modern history.

You're in WAY over your head here, inferring that Fury vs. Wilder wasn't an incredibly brusing trillogy between two evenly matched foes, and that all fighters somehow age the same.

Patently illogical support of an illogical stance.

Weak, weak.

[Willow The Wisp]

"Joshua hid from the other two"... while the other two were too busy fighting each other to consider taking a fight with Joshua, smh

During the historic trilogy for the real title, Joshua "was exposed" by Andy Ruiz Jr.
From there AJ was outthought and beaten up by Usyk...Twice.

I'm sure that YOU wanted to get Joshua in with unbeaten Fury and Wilder, But as history records it; Hearn/Joshua wanted no such thing.