How much does Tyson Fury's loss to Usyk hurt his legacy?

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  • TheProudLunatic
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    #11
    ''No MW will beat me.''

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    • Atypicalbrit
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      #12
      A lot

      He lost to a little midget fella who can't punch and got absoloutley weighed in by 5'6" 147lb Shawn Porter.

      Porter got outboxed a bit for a round by Usyk then stuck it on him and filled Usyk in, and Fury couldn't at a foot and a half taller and 150lbs heavier.

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      • TMLT87
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        #13
        His legacy had already been falling apart for a while anyway. He arguably should have lost to an 0-0 guy from another sport who AJ then demolished within like 5 mins. Plus most of Furys reputation was built off the back of a trilogy with a guy who has been looking like shyt after. Yes sure you could make the argument that Wilder has declined and is old compared to when Fury fought him, but imo its more that Wilder barely fought any genuine elite opponents outside of Fury before, and now that hes willing to take more risks after the losses hes getting found out. I dont believe there was ever any version of Wilder who wouldnt have been at serious risk vs guys like Parker and Zhang.

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          His legacy has been put into perspective recently with AJ dealing with Fury's toughest opponents easily, the way Wilder has looked against Parker and Zhang - is he really damaged goods after the Fury trilogy or was he never on that level in the first place? We'll never know because he didn't fight at this level before the Fury fights so we've got nothing to compare it to.

          Many people think he lost to Ngannou which is a bad look regardless of who you think should've got the decision. The fact that it was that close with a 0-0 opponent is terrible no matter how you look at it. Finally, the Usyk loss. Losing to Usyk isn't the worst thing in the world but it's the manner of the loss. Usyk took away his physical advantages, had him out on his feet in the 9th and won convincingly. The Ngannou and Usyk fights showed that if Fury isn't able to capitalise on his size and weight advantages, he's really not that good. Just an average heavyweight. The reason that's significant is because all the "he could beat any heavyweight in history" talk goes out the window.

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          • sbbigmike
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            #15
            Originally posted by nghtmr111
            Considering the significant size difference, having been considered to be one of the best heavyweights of all time (by idiots of course), and all the **** talk... It 100% affected his legacy.

            All that showboating and making 'funny' faces during the fight made him look like an absolute idiot. I think all the **** he talks about people being dossers and bums is him self projecting.

            I can't find a reason to like him as a boxer or as a person.

            biggest clown in boxing next to Ryan Garcia.
            This he had scared energy throughout the Usyk saga, the clowning in and out the ring is that I know I declined and or relapsed I hope I laugh and make friends with him so he can take it easy on me or stop coming forward...he couldn't ruffle Usyk and that bothered his mental

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            • PRINCEKOOL
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              It will hurt his legacy for people who don't have any real knowledge of boxing history, and all-time great Heavyweight Champions from past era's 'For those specific people, over the past year their entire perception of Heavyweight boxing has been completely dismantled'.

              But for individuals like myself, and others within the boxing community who value and pay attention to boxing history 'I have been saying for years that, Tyson Fury is a great fighter. But he is not a great Champion, Fury does not have the feats of achievement or statistics in his career that even put him anywhere near the likes of Muhammad Ali, Wladimir Kiltschko, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and many more as great Champions'.

              Here are some statistics for you.

              Wladimir Kiltschko achieved a total of 24 successful Championship defenses 'And won 26 Championship level fights, from a total of 29 Championship level fights.

              Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

              Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.
              • Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 7 Championship fights in total.
              ​​Fury's raw statistics in comparison are not really registering on the radar with the other all-time great Champions.

              I have spoken about this more in-depth in some of my past posts, this information up above? Is only a brief highlight. But what you people must understand, is that boxing analyst who have knowledge of history and value it's significance 'Right now as we speak, their perception of the Heavyweight Division and boxing history has not been dismantled or taken a part'.

              During Tyson Fury's heavyweight reign, the media and certain sections of the boxing community have incessantly promoted narratives and stereotypes that have embellished Tyson Fury's abilities and career achievements.

              One of the most well known and highly campaigned narratives goes like this 'Tyson Fury is a Super Heavyweight, who can move like a middle weight'.

              For the past few years, during the Tyson Fury reign that has been one of the most popular and promoted narratives. There have been apparent experts in the sport of boxing, who for some reason during live broadcasts have promoted this narrative.

              Now I have understood, as a observer 'That this type of behaviour by certain sections of the boxing community and media. Is just boxing promotion, and marketing'.

              But there are certain people, and boxing fans out there 'Who genuinely believed that those narrative's and stereotype's to be a objective truth. And this has greatly overrated Tyson Fury's abilities as a Heavyweight fighter within their perception'.

              ​They believe those narratives to be a objective fact, in the same way aeronautical engineer​ 'Understands that the speed of sound is 767.2 miles per hour'.

              Note: The past year and Tyson Fury's recent performances only hurt his legacy, in the perceptions of those boxing fans 'Who genuinely believe all of those narratives and stereotypes as objective truth. It is their perceptions of the Heavyweight Division, that has been completely dismantled'.

              My perception has not been dismantled, because I understand and value the significance of boxing history. I understand that there are separations and levels between boxing era's, and the fighters who fought during those times.

              Tyson Fury is one of the three Heavyweight mountains of this era, the three Heavyweight Mountains have been Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua.

              I have always stated that Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this Heavyweight era 'But he is not a all-time great Heavyweight Champion. Tyson Fury does not have the feats of achievement or statistics on his resume, right now as we speak? To even put him anywhere near that level of greatness' etc.







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              • QueensburyRules
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                #17
                - - Poor Ty.

                Fight 2 Usyk will double down on his humiliation. More likely Ty quits that fight and retires. He got a big fork in him ready for a spitroasing.

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                • Dolor
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by HandsofIron
                  Fury, a physical behemoth, (6 ft 9, 262 bs) lost to a former Cruiserweight who has to eat just to make weight.

                  A lot.
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                  qed

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                  • Willow The Wisp
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ilovemesomeboxing

                    imagine if he loses the rematch......
                    If he does lose the rematch, Usyk supplants Fury as the best of the 2015 -2025 generation.

                    It wouldn't be logical to pass that to Usyk just yet, however. Reasons are: The Wilder-Fury trilogy finished Wilder and may have diminished Fury too, leading into his match with Usyk. That would be a standard pattern.
                    Usyk may be beating a compromised version of Fury, and that 1st go was very, very close.
                    And, Fury was the Man from the time he gave Wladimir Klitschko feet of clay to begin this era. Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz and Stiverne were never the real champion; while Klitschko, Fury and Usyk were, in that order.

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                      #20
                      I wouldn't say hurt. It shifted his legacy. This fight had to happen. Say he never fought Usyk and never lost, then Usyk would just pile up defences and outshine his legacy that way.

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