Did Deontay Wilder have elite ATG power or was his power overrated?

[eco1]

He fought tomato cans, should've lost the first Ortiz fight and now he is finding out what feels to fight top 15 guys.

[Toffee]

Big guys swinging for the fences can knock people out.

The trick wasn't having power, it was delivering it. He was actually quite skilled in that one element. Timing, setup, speed, stopping the opponent from landing similar.

And that's where the level of the opponent matters. Better fighters don't get hit so easily. And better fighters hit you back.

Overrated power. Probably slightly underrated ability. Massive overachiever.

If he was fighting top 10 guys regularly then his knockout ratio wouldn't have been anything special. I don't give any credibility to his knockout ratio at all. It's no factor in rating his career.

[Pac=Duran]

He's got good power. But what iron chin guy did he down?
Zhang downed joyce, flip and parker

What iron chin guy did he ever fight?

Only Zhang, who ate those right hands for breakfast.

There was nobody else.

[JimRaynor]

Wilders power is what made him who he was, a champ with 10 title defenses. It's as elite as elite gets... but only his overhand or straight right punch, he had no meaningful power in his left hand and or uppercut.

[nixxter]

There is no doubt he has great power but it is way overrated. He's nowhere close to being the biggest puncher in history as is often claimed.

Wilder never knocked down/out anyone durable with a good chin.

Zhang on the other hand KO'ed Joyce and dropped Hrgovic and Parker. Those three guys, together with Zhang, have probably the best chins in the division.

[Tails]

Wilder had atg power in the right hand. Now he would would struggle badly to stop the very elite but that is because he only has a strong right hand. He doesn't have the complimentary hook or body punching ability to take people out via other means. Zhang for instance you have to watch out for the straight/looping left and the right hand hook. Those extra punches in the arsenal is what allows you to catch an elite fighter.

[daggum]

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight

ali-50% 18 out of 36
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8

[Willow The Wisp]

We here at the hall have had discussions about Wilder; the first leader of the 2015 - 2025 (post Klitschko) era to age out.

Had he met Joshua before aging out; it is generally believed that Joshua would have hung tough, ouboxing Wilder and imposing his superior strength on the slender American.
Joshua would sweep both the early and middle rounds as he gained momentum and picked up the pace.
Wilder would begin to show the wear and tear of being outstruck as Britain's darling weaved together his finest and most meaningful career performance as the transatlantic battle entered the double digit rounds pitching a near shutout.

Wilder, for all of the criticism leveled towards him, is a man who would and did fire any cornerman who would signal surrender before he has the chance to go out on his shield. But the one sidded fight continues apace.


And then, Wilder cracks his adversary with his bast shot of the fight.

And the fight is over, as team Joshua goes hastily about the business of reviving their fighter.

It could go no other way.

On October 19, 1781, British General Charles Cornwallis surrendered his army of some 8,000 men to General George Washington at Yorktown. With this, Britain would lose it's most valuable colony, and by 1885 the colony would surpass Britain in every measure of prosperity and strength.

Wilder's capabilites would insure that history was not forgotten.

The use of terms like tomato can, windmill seen across this thread and many others, is fan talk. Not knowing talk.

[Pac=Duran]

Wilders power is what made him who he was, a champ with 10 title defenses. It's as elite as elite gets... but only his overhand or straight right punch, he had no meaningful power in his left hand and or uppercut.

It's about context. He fought 3 top guys in his career, Fury Parker and Zhang. Didn't KO any of them.

[daggum]

We here at the hall have had discussions about Wilder; the first leader of the 2015 - 2025 (post Klitschko) era to age out.

Had he met Joshua before aging out; it is generally believed that Joshua would have hung tough, ouboxing Wilder and imposing his superior strength on the slender American.
Joshua would sweep both the early and middle rounds as he gained momentum and picked up the pace.
Wilder would begin to show the wear and tear of being outstruck as Britain's darling weaved together his finest and most meaningful career performance as the transatlantic battle entered the double digit rounds pitching a near shutout.

Wilder, for all of the criticism leveled towards him, is a man who would and did fire any cornerman who would signal surrender before he has the chance to go out on his shield. But the one sidded fight continues apace.


And then, Wilder cracks his adversary with his bast shot of the fight.

And the fight is over, as team Joshua goes hastily about the business of reviving their fighter.

It could go no other way.

On October 19, 1781, British General Charles Cornwallis surrendered his army of some 8,000 men to General George Washington at Yorktown. With this, Britain would lose it's most valuable colony, and by 1885 the colony would surpass Britain in every measure of prosperity and strength.

Wilder's capabilites would insure that history was not forgotten.

The use of terms like tomato can, windmill seen across this thread and many others, is fan talk. Not knowing talk.

you just made up a whole fan fiction story about how wilder beats joshua and how "it could go no other way". that sounds like fan talk to me. knowing talk would be hmmm his ko ratio against top 10 fighters is 25%. thats not being a huge puncher. is usyk also a huge puncher because he nearly had fury out of there? i think not. wilder was just overrated and fought a lot of weak opposition. you get judged on what you did. not on what you could have done but refused to do. weak opposition and power that wasnt there against the better fighters