Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Is Deontay Wilder Destined for Hall of Fame?

[Claude Palle]

Every hall of fame has guys in there that do not belong, including the boxing HOF. Is Wilder deserving? Depends on your criteria. I always liked Wilder and attended a few of his fights but I do not consider him a hall of famer.

[OnePunch]

they are much better than ortiz. parker has beaten ruiz, zhang, and wilder. 3 top 5 guys. ortiz has 1 top 10 win in his career over jennings and i dont think anyone thinks jennings is anywhere near as good as ruiz, zhang, wilder. zhang beat joyce twice who has a much better resume than ortiz with wins over dubois and parker. zhang also beat wilder, and a debatable loss to hrgovic. i would say thats quite a bit better than ortiz. you might be doing some kind of fantasy boxing where ortiz was some great proven fighter but reality is he has a slim resume

dont sell Ortiz short. He had wins over epifano mendoza and monte barrett lol

[wrecksracer]

For those here at the hall this weekend; the Mecca of Boxing, he is the 3rd best of one of the best generations in heavyweight history. Approximately the same level of competition as his peers, longer at the top than most, more title defenses than any.

Wilder is a shoe-in for the greatest achievement that a boxer can earn. in that you can trust.

You, and many others who frequent this board, could stand to educate yourself first and form strong opinions second.

as a few other people have mentioned, Joseph Parker should rank ahead of him. That makes him 4th best. Of course Zhang beat him, too. Let's call him 5th best. Vlad knocked him out sparring. Really, how bad was Wilder? He won a paper title and was protected.

[TheProudLunatic]

Wilder, nor any HW from this era not named Usyk, should get in.
This entire era should be removed from our memory.

[Blackstarr]

For those here at the hall this weekend; the Mecca of Boxing, he is the 3rd best of one of the best generations in heavyweight history. Approximately the same level of competition as his peers, longer at the top than most, more title defenses than any.

Wilder is a shoe-in for the greatest achievement that a boxer can earn. in that you can trust.

You, and many others who frequent this board, could stand to educate yourself first and form strong opinions second.

I like how you’ve scurried out of your hole after ignoring the questions posed to you earlier in this thread, so I’ll ask again..in what way is Ortiz better than Parker (ex champ and much better pro wins in Ruiz Jr, Wilder and Zhang) or Zhang (bigger, more powerful, better amateur career, better pro wins).

And on what planet is Wilder 3rd best HW? Even Breadman has him behind AJ, who unified titles and has beat 6 Ring-Rated champs compared to just 2 for Wilder. And half of those wins against HWs better and more accomplished than Ortiz - Parker (whitewashed Wilder), Povetkin and Klitschko (needs no explanation).

You keep bringing up the age at which Wilder lost to Zhang and Parker, but why do you continuously ignore that Zhang is 41 and that Ortiz was older than what Wilder is now, making that win very questionable if you want to go by the same logic?

Wilder’s resume is nothing remotely close to Usyk, Fury or AJ’s, and it’s also worse than Parker’s who has plenty of time to add to his at just 32 years’ old. And this is far from one of the best generations of HW boxing. Are you Wilder or a member of his management by any chance?

[Willow The Wisp]

as a few other people have mentioned, Joseph Parker should rank ahead of him. That makes him 4th best. Of course Zhang beat him, too. Let's call him 5th best. Vlad knocked him out sparring. Really, how bad was Wilder? He won a paper title and was protected.

Let's see where Parker is when he's 38.
For now, in his prime, he gets splattered by Joyce.

[The Big Dunn]

Wilder can’t possibly make the HOF.

[Willow The Wisp]

I like how you’ve scurried out of your hole after ignoring the questions posed to you earlier in this thread, so I’ll ask again..in what way is Ortiz better than Parker (ex champ and much better pro wins in Ruiz Jr, Wilder and Zhang) or Zhang (bigger, more powerful, better amateur career, better pro wins).

And on what planet is Wilder 3rd best HW? Even Breadman has him behind AJ, who unified titles and has beat 6 Ring-Rated champs compared to just 2 for Wilder. And half of those wins against HWs better and more accomplished than Ortiz - Parker (whitewashed Wilder), Povetkin and Klitschko (needs no explanation).

You keep bringing up the age at which Wilder lost to Zhang and Parker, but why do you continuously ignore that Zhang is 41 and that Ortiz was older than what Wilder is now, making that win very questionable if you want to go by the same logic?

Wilder’s resume is nothing remotely close to Usyk, Fury or AJ’s, and it’s also worse than Parker’s who has plenty of time to add to his at just 32 years’ old. And this is far from one of the best generations of HW boxing. Are you Wilder or a member of his management by any chance?

No question, it is a hard sell to aid fans to get beyond their dug-in notions. And where there's one, there are apt to be many casually acquainted, like thinkers; hence the "likes" on posts that clearly epitomize a lukewarm knowledge base.
OK. Enough snobbery.

Something that the 'professional argument' fans here might be missing:

The levels between the top heavyweights are infinitesimal in measure. This is why you get circumstances where Ruiz Jr steps in on short notice and takes a smack-dab center prime Joshua's soul, or Juggernaut Joyce smashes Joseph Parker to peices, or Wilder drilling Fury to the floor again and again and again.
They ALL have their unique blend of statistically rare skills.

In the top 10, you simply don't have some who are great and others who "suck".
Those proclamations sound as if they come from 7 year old children.

I wonder just how close some of these posters have really gotten to the sport, beyond electronics and into the gyms, to say nothing of being at the fights.
Such fans, if properly introduced to the sport would take what they've learned on their phones and add another 500% to your understanding of the nuance.
That's not an insult; it's an invitation.

I don't know it all. Trust me.
But I know a thing or two; and Wilder was a hell of a fighter.

Honest Apologies to all here who hold a different opinion, for my not engaging every invitation to "debate".
Not my jam, and I stand to learn nothing.
I already know.

The current 10 year Era is wrapping up, now in it's late stage, some of the careers are winding down or over already (Klitschko, Wilder, Ortiz, Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings...). The way that I see it, having seen and known many (most) of these warriors right up close, from prospects onward:

The Heavyweight Ratings of the Era 2015 - 2025. (As of June 2, 2024)


1. Tyson Fury
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Anthony Joshua
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Joseph Parker
7. Andy Ruiz Jr
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Daniel Dubois
10 Wladimir Klitschko (old ver)
11.Dillian Whyte
12.Joe Joyce
13.Agit Kabayel
14.Alexander Povetkin (old ver)
15.Jared Anderson
16.Filip Hrgovic
17.Jarrell Miller
18.Kubrat Pulev (old ver)
19.Charles Martin
20.Derrick Chisora
21.Martin Bakole
22.Fabio Wardley
23.Carlos Takam
24.Johann Duhaupas
25.Robert Helenius
26.Hughie Fury
27.Otto Wallin
28.Bryant Jennings
29.Frank Sanchez
30.Bermane Stiverne
31.Efe Ajagba
32.Chris Arreola (old ver)
33.Michael Hunter
34.Frazier Clarke
35.Bakhodir Jalolov
36.Tony Yoka
37.Murat Gassiev
38.Aleksandr Ustinov
39.Lucas Browne
40.Dominic Breazeale
41.Gerald Washington
42.Jermain Franklin
43.Lenier Pero
44.David Haye
45.Vyacheslav Glazkov
46.Ruslan Chagaev (old)
47.Mariusz Wach
48.Arslanbek Makhmudov
49.Johnathan Guidry
50.Francis Ngannou

[SUBZER0ED]

Nobody gets credit for almost winning. Once he started fighting good competition, he started losing. The 10 title defenses and KO % had everything to do with the low quality of opposition he was facing. Does he really get in being 4th best in a weak era?

Maybe there's a HOF for KOing bums.

[wrecksracer]

Let's see where Parker is when he's 38.
For now, in his prime, he gets splattered by Joyce.

Wilder got beat every time he fought good competition in a weak era. Even Bread is questioning his resume.