Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn Does Not Think Deontay Wilder Has 'Belief' Anymore

[Boro]

Even now, putting an asterisk over AJ’s win against Parker is comical but whatever.

Why everyone knows that ref was dog shít and it ruined what could've been a great fight and funnily enough refs have screwed Parker twice in the UK.

In the AJ he had to get close to make up for his tiny arms which the ref constantly broke them and reset them giving AJ an advantage.

Now I won't deny this is arguable because AJ is decent on the inside but still it changed the whole complexion of the fight.

And in the Whyte fight the ref called a headbutt a legit KD and allowed Whyte to hold on to the ropes while wrapping him up like an octopus for the last 15-20 seconds of the fight whilst clearly out on his feet...

[Blackstarr]

Why everyone knows that ref was dog shít and it ruined what could've been a great fight and funnily enough refs have screwed Parker twice in the UK.

In the AJ he had to get close to make up for his tiny arms which the ref constantly broke them and reset them giving AJ an advantage.

Now I won't deny this is arguable because AJ is decent on the inside but still it changed the whole complexion of the fight.

And in the Whyte fight the ref called a headbutt a legit KD and allowed Whyte to hold on to the ropes while wrapping him up like an octopus for the last 15-20 seconds of the fight whilst clearly out on his feet...

It was poor officiating I agree, as has been the case in many fights, often in favour of the A-side. In the absence of any cheating or dubious decision however, the result stands and doesn’t mean there needs to be an asterisk. Otherwise just go ahead and put one next to Fury’s first win over McDermott, the win against Wallin that would’ve been stopped on cuts if it happened to anyone else, and his first fight against Wilder, which would have been a 12th round TKO anywhere in the UK (I was massively rooting for Fury the whole trilogy, to be clear). Now I don’t agree these should be the case, but all I’m saying is you can’t have it both ways.

[Boro]

It was poor officiating I agree, as has been the case in many fights, often in favour of the A-side. In the absence of any cheating or dubious decision however, the result stands and doesn’t mean there needs to be an asterisk. Otherwise just go ahead and put one next to Fury’s first win over McDermott, the win against Wallin that would’ve been stopped on cuts if it happened to anyone else, and his first fight against Wilder, which would have been a 12th round TKO anywhere in the UK (I was massively rooting for Fury the whole trilogy, to be clear). Now I don’t agree these should be the case, but all I’m saying is you can’t have it both ways.

I do put asterix beside his win over McDermot a huge one in fact.

The fact that Terry O'Connor (Ref) got a hiding off Stan McDermott (his dad) is probably the reason Fury got his arm raised before the bell finished ringing was an absolute disgrace, now I have no proof that this is why he done this but it's my opinion on the matter...

I don't agree with the Wallin point they were clean cuts, perfect cuts to stitch easily and the ringside physician knew that hence why he let it continue.

Well in the UK they'll stop fights for people getting sneezed on or a change in the direction of the wind, so I wouldn't really go with what happens in the UK as a standard to be beholden to.

Jack reiss is a former EMT so he knew Furys knee being raised indicated he still had full control of his body, if he was out cold his knee wouldn't be raised, he'd have no control and would be completely limp knee and all also he mentions how he was grimacing and looking at him the whole time so there is that too...

P.S. in the case of Terry O'Connor I mean in the boxing ring not on the cobbles well maybe there too but I wouldn't know anything about that,

[Elastic Recoilz]

He's finished at heavyweight but would become unified at bridgerweight. He should go down that road and milk the last bit of money he can before retiring.

[Slip jab]

Stop mentioning him like you didn’t swerve an undisputed fight. It didn’t 25 years without . You guys can go for the commonwealth for aj

[eco1]

Stiverne 3,4,5 will bring it back

[!! Shawn]

Remember when Fury was trying to convince the world that Wilder was the second best HW in the game? Lol.

Awww silly casual, He got 3 savage beatings from Furry, he left most of what he was in the ring. He still has the power, just cant pull the trigger and get it off anymore. Man hits like the hand of god smacking you down though. He was always limited, but he had the "eraser" as Teddy atlas would say. Hes old, has been in wars, he can't time those shots anymore.

This is what happens to fighters that are in particularly brutal wars. He was brutalized by Fury.

[!! Shawn]

Deontay Wilder is a power puncher, but there is really no evidence that he is the biggest most devastating puncher in history 'Wladimir Kiltschko is statistically a more proven power puncher than Deontay Wilder. Kiltschko during his career had stopped or knocked out more top level Heavyweights than Deontay Wilder'.

In fact? I would most likely even rate a peak David Haye overall as a more devastating offensive fighter than Deontay Wilder 'Just like Kiltschko, Haye has stopped and knocked out more top level fighters than Wilder. David Haye even as a Heavyweight, whenever he won a fight it was by stoppage or knock-out'.

In terms of all time rankings, Deontay Wilder is not a more devastating power puncher and offensive fighter than Mike Tyson 'I believe people need to stop pushing this narrative now. I understand that the people most likely promoting this narrative are all hardcore Fury fans'.

Note: Deontay Wilder regardless has been one of the Heavyweight mountains of his era, he was the in my opinion 'And solid WBC World Heavyweight Champion. In comparison to Fury, Wilder actually to a greater extent took on all comers. If this was not the case? Fury vs Wilder I & II would of not happened. Neither would of Deontay Wilder been able to make 10 defences of his WBC World Heavyweight titles'.

Stylistically Deontay Wilder was maybe fortunate that he appeared in the Heavyweight Division during this modern era 'Of course Wilder has power, aggression and determination. But outside of those attributes, I have stated this many times before? Deontay Wilder's pure boxing skills, are in and round European level. Nobody can really rate Deontay Wilder in terms of technical ability much higher than a European level fighter'.

Deontay Wilder has negated those drawbacks, with his power, agression, determination and courage 'And that way of fighting is extremely admirable. Deontay Wilder found a way to be competitive at World and Elite level, without any elite level skills'.

Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua 'Those are the three Heavyweight mountains of this era. All of the fights which are happening now, are the conclusive battles of their era'.

And as I told you awhile back Boro, in this competition between the top-4 Heavyweights to see who will be the last man standing of this era 'In a drawn out battle, the trajectory of the competition may move back towards Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua. I theorized this many months ago, almost over 1 year before Tyson Fury eventually fought Oleksandr Uysk'.

Since May 18th, Tyson Fury is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion. Oleksandr Uysk is the Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion 'Anthony Joshua is the Heavyweight, that nobody wants to talk about. Metaphorical when his critics see him walking down the street? They cross over the road'.

That is pretty much the situation in the Heavyweight Division, in the conclusive stages of this era etc.

Uh, what, everyone besides fury that hes touched with that right had has stayed down. The man might be the single hardest puncher in the history of boxing. To ignore that is crazy.

There are lots of really solid punchers that are accurate and have good timing, like AJ and Klit, but you can be 100% braced and ready for a shot from Wilder, and you are still going down. The guy just has freakish power like a heavyweight Randall Bailey.

[Robertthebruce]

FYI there has been 5-6 champions since Wilder won the belt and none of them held the belt as long as Wilder, none defended as many times as Wilder and arguably none punched like Wilder until he had the three fights with Fury which made him gunshy...

And if Fury beats Usyk you'll decide he was a never was, who was too small for the division and Fury deserves no credit for the win.

Because everything you post is to discredit Fury despite this post having nothing to do with him.

What about the flip side then? If Fury loses to Usyk again even though he is double the size then he should be remembered as a bum right?

[Boro]

What about the flip side then? If Fury loses to Usyk again even though he is double the size then he should be remembered as a bum right?

What are you talking about, I said he'd see Usyk as a never was not me, he's a Fury hater to the point of discrediting other fighters just so it'll discredit Fury.

3 ˝ inches and 38 pounds "double his size" talk about hyperbole if he loses again, he's lost to the guy I predicted to be the dark horse of the division along with Hunter years ago (Hunter derailed his career not fighting Hrgovic) as long as they didn't put on too much weight.

But why would he be a bum for losing to one man, I don't buy into anyone losing instantly becoming a bum.

Joshua losing to Ruiz was embarrassing for him because it was supposed to be his America debut but it didn't make him a bum.

And certainly Fury losing to Usyk (P4P talent) in Usyks self admitted hardest fight isn't going to make him a bum either.

As long as people fight the fights losses don't mean anything to me, I'd prefer fighters to have 10 losses and have competitive fights than nursing undefeated records and remain undefeated fighting no hopers.

But I ain't as invested into twitter, youtube or insta drama and the likes, so perhaps i'm not the best one to make judgement on that because social media is increasingly becoming the bread and butter for promoting and garnering a fan base.