Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn Does Not Think Deontay Wilder Has 'Belief' Anymore

[champion4ever]

In your opinion, how much of Wilder’s drop-off is due to him being in decline versus not being as good as advertised in the first place?

Because to me, Wilder looked the same low-output fighter who would occasionally throw with mean intent, like he did in the 2nd and also the 5th before he got caught. Only difference is Zhang had the chin and skills eat those punches without most of them landing flush, unlike Wilders other opponents, otherwise we’d all be shouting that he was back. Add to that, in hindsight Wilder was getting put over by the same punches that Fury landed on Usyk and other opponents without trouble, which makes me think his punch resistance wasn’t really there in the first place.

Maybe it’s a bit of both, but to me it feels like a lot has come down to false advertising and this sport’s historic tendency to widely overate punchers.

It's not so much that his drop-off is due to him being in decline no more than it is him losing the love and passion for the sport and his unwillingness to improve his overall game which caused the decline.

Deontay Wilder was, is and shall always be Deontay Wilder; A very limited fighter with great athleticism and knock out power. In addition, a fighter who was not fundamentally sound, lacked size, boxing skills and the Ring IQ needed to be a complete heavyweight champion.

However, despite all of his deficiencies; He was yet a very good fighter.

[Smash]

after his ayahuasca experiences he may believe he can fly

[factsarenice]

I don't rate anyone of this era either way, it's a bunch of mediocre talent who've made good money with their limited ability, Usyk being the most skilled of the lot but even then he hasn't been in the division long enough to truly stamp his legacy, like guys like Lewis, Tyson, Wlad, Louis etc etc all with double digit title fight WINS.

Especially when everyone and their mothers are claiming Fury is a bum, AJ is a bum, Wilder is a bum, so how do anyone separate themselves because beating a bum surely doesn't do anything for your career...

The name brand Heavyweights are getting old, most are way past their prime. The in-house only and belt squatting hasn't allowed new talent to develop and the over importance of marketing and money stymie REAL competition. Usyk is a great talent that took advantage of an era of top level players that are more reality TV heavyweights then true competitors.

[daggum]

after his ayahuasca experiences he may believe he can fly

They made him think he was a good boxer, oh and all the people around him who fed him lies and soft opponents

[Boro]

The name brand Heavyweights are getting old, most are way past their prime. The in-house only and belt squatting hasn't allowed new talent to develop and the over importance of marketing and money stymie REAL competition. Usyk is a great talent that took advantage of an era of top level players that are more reality TV heavyweights then true competitors.

Absolutely, thankfully that seems to be changing thanks to Turki we're getting competitive fights at every level and fighters that are willing are getting the opportunity to develop into potential future stars and Parker is young enough that he might be around for a while long think he's just turned 32?

[Blackstarr]

I literally looked up the ratings on the archivetoday/waybackmachine and all the fighters I mentioned show up as been on the ratings for a few months at most, Parker was the only who was on the ratings for over a year (100 weeks) at the time of fight Joshua but you believe i'm making it up if you want.

Not talking about the amateurs in particular, he was still sparring Wallin whilst fighting for world titles but you dismiss that point if you want clearly you're an AJ díck rider.

Yes of course Fury deserves ridicule for not taking Ngannou seriously but to deny the advantage of footage is absolutely delusional at best and utterly ignorant at worst.

where have I tried to big up Furys or Wilders resume!? I don't rate any of the heavyweights in this era, you're confused son but you're caping for AJ.

Okay either you or the website you quoted is false..I don’t care the difference, but common sense should tell you beating Rydell Booker and Christian Hammer alone doesn’t get you into Ring rankings. And my point still stands about sparring, fighting as amateurs or whatever..all that is irrelevant and often has little bearing on what happens in the ring for various reasons. There’s a clip of Fury saying AJ gave him a hiding in sparring while he was in the Olympic squad and Fury was already a pro, but that also means nothing. Looking at footage helps preparation of course and I never said it wasn’t an advantage, but my point is that this is no excuse whatsoever for the poor showing that Fury put up. If he had prepared properly or had true knockout power, he should have won comfortably.

Where did I say you’ve bigged up Fury’s or Wilder’s resume, despite you talking about Fury handing Chisora his first loss? My point was if you’re gonna pick holes in AJ’s resume and accuse him of doing nothing, then you should be adopting the same lens critiquing Fury and Wilder. Learn some reading comprehension and miss me with all the d.riding talk, we’re not in school and h.omo jibes aren’t my thing.

[mjh1969]

I wonder if Wilder did any sparring for this fight beforehand. If he had been training for the last several months, what the hell was he doing? He looked confused in the ring yesterday just throwing a pawing jab along with a very ill timed right hand as well. He really looked like an amateur in the ring. I have always said that Wilder was poorly managed and fed tomato cans for most of his career that made his record look better than it really was. The poor matchmaking didn't do anything to help build up his skill level and also taught him to be over reliant on his right hand. To me he was a marketable heavyweight champion because of his knockouts but in the history of the division one of the worst heavyweight champions skill wise. He is NOT a hall of famer and failed to live up to the hype when he was asked to step up in competition. First he loss to Fury twice, Parker and then Zhang. If he won this fight they were going to feed him to Jared Anderson. I wish him the best in his retirement though.

[Boro]

Okay either you or the website you quoted is false..I don’t care the difference, but common sense should tell you beating Rydell Booker and Christian Hammer alone doesn’t get you into Ring rankings. And my point still stands about sparring, fighting as amateurs or whatever..all that is irrelevant and often has little bearing on what happens in the ring for various reasons. There’s a clip of Fury saying AJ gave him a hiding in sparring while he was in the Olympic squad and Fury was already a pro, but that means also means nothing. Looking at footage helps preparation of course and I never said it wasn’t an advantage, but my point is that this is no excuse whatsoever for the poor showing that Fury put up. If he had prepared properly or had true knockout power, he should have won comfortably.

Where did I say you’ve bigged up Fury’s or Wilder’s resume, despite you talking about Fury handing Chisora his first loss? My point was if you’re gonna pick holes in AJ’s resume and accuse him of doing nothing, then you should be adopting the same lens critiquing Fury and Wilder. Learn some reading comprehension and miss me with all the d.riding talk, we’re not in school and h.omo jibes aren’t my thing.

So The Ring is wrong about their own ratings?! wow talk about delusional clearly Rydell booker and Hammer didn't get them their ratings but they're the wins that elevated them into the top 10 regardless...

Well Fury handing Chisora his first loss is the equivalent of AJ handing Whyte his first loss which fan boys and Eddie love to harp on about.

Despite them them only both being domestic level fights for the British and Commonwealth titles between undefeated fighters...

I never said AJ has done nothing either, I said he's done nothing of note since beating Ruiz which is true, he's beat Pulev lost to Usyk twice and then went on a run of Franklin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannou and if you're impressed by that run okay but i'm not.

There is no issue comprehending what's being said son, it's you who's struggling here, I don't rate any of these Heavyweights that's the point.

What else am I going to call it other than díck riding, you're fawning over and caping for a man you don't know, you're applying one standard to AJ and another to other fighters.

Fury hasn't beaten anyone apart from Wlad and Wilder.

AJ hasn't beaten anyone decent apart from Wlad and Povetkin arguably Parker but there is a huge asteriks because of the Ref and the fact Parker arguably lost to Ruiz anyway but it is the only champion AJs faced who is holding and has successfully defended his belt at the time he faced them.

Wilder hasn't beaten anyone of note zimmer frame doesn't count IMO, he wasn't a good amatuer and he certainly wasn't a good pro.

Usyk has beat Fury and AJ, like I said previously this era is weak.

[Boro]

I was going purely on Ring-ratings, since sanctioning body rankings often mean nothing and can be bought with a promoter’s help. I’m not going to bother nitpicking resumes like you’ve done because you can do that with every fighter.

That said, this the poorest attempt at nitpicking I’ve seen in a long time and scattered with straight up lies. Povetkin was always a world-class operator with an Olympic gold medal, and was in the rankings long before the Hammer fight. Plus he was on an 8-fight win streak post the Klitschko fight and had never been stopped. Pulev was on a similar streak including beating Chisora, Kevin Johnson and Hughie Fury, yet you arbitrarily pick Booker out of nowhere? Ruiz Jr dropped a contentious majority decision to Parker for the WBO title, so the talent was always there, and was Ring-rated before the first fight with AJ, who had actually been preparing for a fight with Miller before he popped dirty. Are you literally making up this s.hit as you go along?

And your excuse that Fury didn’t spar with Wallin is ridiculous..firstly it was many years ago that AJ fought Wallin as amateurs and fighters change over time. Look at how much good it did Hgorvic battering Dubois in sparring ages ago as a prime example. Same with the Ngannou footage excuse..absolute rubbish and ultimately it boiled down to Fury’s indiscipline, which is a key determinant in a fighter’s ability and standing. Footage or no footage, that performance was shocking and worthy of ridicule.

The fact that you’ve tried to (poorly) nitpick AJ’s resume while ignoring Fury’s and Wilder’s shows you’re being anything but consistent, and your excuses for Fury shows such a wild degree of bias that renders any attempt to have an objective debate meaningless.

I literally looked up the ratings on the archivetoday/waybackmachine and all the fighters I mentioned show up as been on the ratings for a few months at most, Parker was the only who was on the ratings for over a year (100 weeks) at the time of fight Joshua but you believe i'm making it up if you want.

Not talking about the amateurs in particular, he was still sparring Wallin whilst fighting for world titles but you dismiss that point if you want clearly you're an AJ díck rider.

Yes of course Fury deserves ridicule for not taking Ngannou seriously but to deny the advantage of footage is absolutely delusional at best and utterly ignorant at worst.

where have I tried to big up Furys or Wilders resume!? I don't rate any of the heavyweights in this era, you're confused son but you're caping for AJ.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201129141331/https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272 - Pulev - Bogdan Dinu got him into top 10..

https://web.archive.org/web/20180622164543/https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272 - Povetkin - Rudenko got him into top 10 this one I got wrong, honestly surprised he didn't get took out of running for popping dirty the fight before...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190929110421/https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272 - Ruiz - Joshua win put him into the top 10.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180331020647/https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272 - Parker - Takam got him over the line.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170211155715/https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272 - Wlad was #1 but he clearly should've been removed because he lost to Fury and hadn't won a fight for two years and was basically retired...

P.S. I deleted the other posted by mistake instead of editing it so MB, also don't know why the links aren't working, can't you link on this site anymore!?

[Blackstarr]

So The Ring is wrong about their own ratings?! wow talk about delusional clearly Rydell booker and Hammer didn't get them their ratings but they're the wins that elevated them into the top 10 regardless...

Well Fury handing Chisora his first loss is the equivalent of AJ handing Whyte his first loss which fan boys and Eddie love to harp on about.

Despite them them only both being domestic level fights for the British and Commonwealth titles between undefeated fighters...

I never said AJ has done nothing either, I said he's done nothing of note since beating Ruiz which is true, he's beat Pulev lost to Usyk twice and then went on a run of Franklin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannou and if you're impressed by that run okay but i'm not.

There is no issue comprehending what's being said son, it's you who's struggling here, I don't rate any of these Heavyweights that's the point.

What else am I going to call it other than díck riding, you're fawning over and caping for a man you don't know, you're applying one standard to AJ and another to other fighters.

Fury hasn't beaten anyone apart from Wlad and Wilder.

AJ hasn't beaten anyone decent apart from Wlad and Povetkin arguably Parker but there is a huge asteriks because of the Ref and the fact Parker arguably lost to Ruiz anyway but it is the only champion AJs faced who is holding and has successfully defended his belt at the time he faced them.

Wilder hasn't beaten anyone of note zimmer frame doesn't count IMO, he wasn't a good amatuer and he certainly wasn't a good pro.

Usyk has beat Fury and AJ, like I said previously this era is weak.

Well I suspected it was your post that was BS and not the Ring archives, but was being polite giving you the benefit of the doubt. I’m also not fussed about the mechanics of how each one got in, but I would say that Bogdan Dinu wasn’t even close to Pulev’s best win in the lead up to the AJ fight.

In no way am I fawning over AJ..all I said is he has beaten more Ring-rated fighters then Wilder and Fury combined, which is an unarguable fact. I didn’t even mention Whyte in the list for AJ but I did for Fury, and couldn’t care less what Eddie or fanboys think, nor was it an opinion I stated, so not sure why you’re bringing that up. I’m not impressed by AJ’s run post Usyk apart from the manner in which he dispatched Wallin, who should’ve had an TKO win against Fury (compare his cut to that of Hrgovic). As I said, the collective run is nothing to write home about and mentioned that it only holds significance when you compare it against Fury’s performances. It’s ironic though because that run sums up the quality of Wilder’s whole title reign.

If you don’t rate any of the HWs that’s perfectly fair..I personally rate Fury, and think Usyk is an ATG, and I believe AJ hasn’t actually reached his true apex. I’ve never rated Wilder and think he would have been long exposed before Fury had he fought anyone decent (excluding a geriatric Ortiz).

My issue was just seemed like you were s.hitting on AJ while exalting Fury in a way that didn’t make any sense to me, and I like calling out bias regardless the fighter. Even now, putting an asterisk over AJ’s win against Parker is comical but whatever.