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[Boro]

Not sure why you think that was "alleged". It's fact. It happened. It's proven.

And yes it should have been dealt with earlier. ie he should never have been allowed to fight Wlad for the belts when he was a proven drugs cheat.

It's alleged because they settled rather than duke it out in court and potentially go bankrupt, both parties just accepted "fault" on the proviso that Fury wouldn't go after them for their negligence and they wouldn't remove their victories and they would apply the ban retroactively rather than from the day the hearing concluded.

No fault was proven per se, so you can say it's a fact but you'd be wrong.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Who've I've claimed is credible beyond Wlad and a very questionable Wilder? No one said Pianeta was rated and Schwarz had his useless rating because he had a crappy intercontinental belt and "defend his title" like 3 times, I don't make the rules, nor do I agree with them but they are what they are, people have to got to earn their right at a title somehow or people will fight cans once they've got a belt for the majority of their career.

I've never claimed AJ was bad once, I said he was overhyped just like the entirety of the division, you're for some reason conflating the two.

Again top ratings mean nothing when you break into the aforementioned ratings the way Pulev did with a win over Bogan Dinu, Povetkin over Price and a multitude of other fighters

Takam was never in the top 10 he was a late replacement who was rated in the sanctioning bodies (you no them things you critiqued earlier for Fury), Helenius was never top 10 either at any point he was linked to Joshua, he's never fought Chisora and Parker was arguably an undeserved champion he beat with the aid of a shocking ref.

And the fact Fury got caught during the Hammer fight doesn't mean anything, you really think AJ putting on 20+ pounds of muscle was natural at 6'5 1/2 and barely an ounce of fat between his amateur and pro debut if you do I have a bridge to sell you...

The truth is they're all juicing some get away with it others don't it's that simple really.

There is a reason they allegedly caught Fury during the Hammer fight but they waited 16 months until AFTER the Hammer fight and popped him after the Wlad fight.

And almost went bankrupt trying to fight their frivolous case, they only care about money and APPEARING useful, hence why most drug tests are failing in high profile fights.

It makes VADA or others look useful and able to catch people at the most opportune moment and when people have just had arguably their career highest payday sitting out for a 6months/1 year isn't going to hurt them (as much) especially when some people only fight yearly anyways.

Honestly I can't remember what we are arguing about originally - but you are clearly a Tyson Fury fan. Now "everyone in the division is juicing". You had to make that claim just to make it seem ok that Fury did it lol. Are they all also juicing by eating uncastrated wild boar from a butcher who says he has never sold wild boar?

The only reason Fury got a backdated ban instead of a proper ban was because the drug organisation (or whoever it was) has no money and yes they would have gone bankrupt. They made a deal with Fury.

I never said Takam or Helenius was in the top 10. I originally gave you a list of guys just outside the top-10 but still way ahead of Pianeta (approx. 70 in the world at the time) and Schwarz (approx. 50 in the world) and Wallin (Approx 25th at the time) because you made excuses for Fury choosing bums instead of top-20 guys. Even though you are *NOT IN ANY WAY* a Tyson Fury fan. Apparently....

And sure... AJ is over-hyped even though he is clearly in the top-3 best HWs in the world... he was one British guy who actually delivered on the hype and didn't duck people. His losses have probably made him better.

[Boro]

Honestly I can't remember what we are arguing about originally - but you are clearly a Tyson Fury fan. Now "everyone in the division is juicing". You had to make that claim just to make it seem ok that Fury did it lol. Are they all also juicing by eating uncastrated wild boar from a butcher who says he has never sold wild boar?

The only reason Fury got a backdated ban instead of a proper ban was because the drug organisation (or whoever it was) has no money and yes they would have gone bankrupt. They made a deal with Fury.

I never said Takam or Helenius was in the top 10. I originally gave you a list of guys just outside the top-10 but still way ahead of Pianeta (approx. 70 in the world at the time) and Schwarz (approx. 50 in the world) and Wallin (Approx 25th at the time) because you made excuses for Fury choosing bums instead of top-20 guys. Even though you are *NOT IN ANY WAY* a Tyson Fury fan. Apparently....

And sure... AJ is over-hyped even though he is clearly in the top-3 best HWs in the world... he was one British guy who actually delivered on the hype and didn't duck people. His losses have probably made him better.

No i didn't have to make that claim to make it seem okay Fury was juicing, Ali was juicing, Tyson was Juicing "Evan Fields" was juicing if you aren't juicing you're are a moron.

As for uncastrated wild boar, it wasn't sold by a butcher it was allegedly a farmer and secondly nandrolone is actually naturally occurring in Wild boar.

I don't care about your approximates, now it's top 20? you're changing your mind like the wind changes direction, Ruiz wasn't top 20 either, nor was Helenius or Takam but you're shifting goalposts to fit your narrative.

The only person you can actually claim Fury has ducked is Price, he's fought everyone else he's been linked with and he'll likely fight AJ so it's rétarded to claim he's a duck.

It'd be the equivalent to me claiming AJ is a duck because he didn't fight Wilder or he took ages to fight Usyk despite Usyk wanting to face him immediately when he moved up and that being his privilege as an undisputed champion.

I want you to be consistent with your shít not deciding what's acceptable for AJ when he's fighting CANS like Takam, Helenius, Breazeale, Franklin, Wallin etc and when Fury does the same it's suddenly a travesty, moral consistency isn't much to ask... Well apparently it is.

[Roberto Vasquez]

No i didn't have to make that claim to make it seem okay Fury was juicing, Ali was juicing, Tyson was Juicing "Evan Fields" was juicing if you aren't juicing you're are a moron.

As for uncastrated wild boar, it wasn't sold by a butcher it was allegedly a farmer and secondly nandrolone is actually naturally occurring in Wild boar.

I don't care about your approximates, now it's top 20? you're changing your mind like the wind changes direction, Ruiz wasn't top 20 either, nor was Helenius or Takam but you're shifting goalposts to fit your narrative.

The only person you can actually claim Fury has ducked is Price, he's fought everyone else he's been linked with and he'll likely fight AJ so it's rétarded to claim he's a duck.

It'd be the equivalent to me claiming AJ is a duck because he didn't fight Wilder or he took ages to fight Usyk despite Usyk wanting to face him immediately when he moved up and that being his privilege as an undisputed champion.

I want you to be consistent with your shít not deciding what's acceptable for AJ when he's fighting CANS like Takam, Helenius, Breazeale, Franklin, Wallin etc and when Fury does the same it's suddenly a travesty, moral consistency isn't much to ask... Well apparently it is.

All you need to know is Fury has fought 3 top-10 boxers in the last 8 years (and lost to one of them) while even Derek Chisora has managed more. Fury has taken PEDS while accusing everyone else of taking them. And calls everyone he doesn't want to fight "a stiff robot" e,g, Price and AJ

If you remember Fury organized a fight with AJ and "forgot" he was contracted to fight Wilder for a 3rd time. One of 3 times he has ducked AJ. Anyone who doubted that, had the scales removed form their eyes once and for all when he did similar things with Usyk

If you think AJ does the same as Fury and fights bums - then I can't help you. Even a child would know there difference between a boxer like Takam and Tom Schwarz.

I love your wild boar comment btw - that guy came forward and said he never sold wild boar and said the Fury's paid him off to say he did. And of course it has that in it - that's why they pretended they ate *uncastrated* wild boar in the first place

I actually think you are trolling me now. I guess you did a good job so fair play to you.

[Boro]

All you need to know is Fury has fought 3 top-10 boxers in the last 8 years (and lost to one of them) while even Derek Chisora has managed more. Fury has taken PEDS while accusing everyone else of taking them. And calls everyone he doesn't want to fight "a stiff robot" e,g, Price and AJ

If you remember Fury organized a fight with AJ and "forgot" he was contracted to fight Wilder for a 3rd time. One of 3 times he has ducked AJ. Anyone who doubted that, had the scales removed form their eyes once and for all when he did similar things with Usyk

If you think AJ does the same as Fury and fights bums - then I can't help you. Even a child would know there difference between a boxer like Takam and Tom Schwarz.

I love your wild boar comment btw - that guy came forward and said he never sold wild boar and said the Fury's paid him off to say he did. And of course it has that in it - that's why they pretended they ate *uncastrated* wild boar in the first place

I actually think you are trolling me now. I guess you did a good job so fair play to you.

Derek Chisora has managed to be beat pillar to post by everyone he's fought, has he even won a relevant fight in the last decade?

I don't care about what amounts to woman prattle and gossip, I care about the fights that happen.

And the reality is the decent wins for either fighter have been Wlad and Wilder and Povetkin and Wlad respectively anything else is just white noise and that's the truth.

And no one compared Schwarz to Takam you moronic child, a fighter who's not rated in the top 10 (which you switched because it's untenable) isn't apparently good enough for Fury, so it isn't for AJ.

I'm simply stating you need to be consistent with your critiques and praise, it's not difficult to comprehend or at least it isn't for people with more than a couple of brain cells firing off.

Also don't care about a farmer who alleges he was paid off to say he sold wild boar, he's believable when it suits your narrative and he's admitting to being a liar and committing perjury but when he's claiming to have sold wild boar he's a liar.

And as I've explained before on this forum to people, wild boar isn't uncommon, nor are all of the parts that have increased nandrolone, e.g. kidneys, liver, tongue, cheek etc are all pretty commonly eaten.

Testicles which have a negligible amount more nandrolone in them I've never even heard of being eaten in the UK.

But of course people like to make out Fury ate balls because reasons?

And in fact in Germany and other parts of the EU you can literally buy canned wild boar and you'd expect to pop for 2 ng/ml...

Similar in fact to common Fury hating spiel tbh, believe Fury when it suits but call him a compulsive liar the next minute, talking out of both sides of your mouth is their specialty.

[Toffee]

It's alleged because they settled rather than duke it out in court and potentially go bankrupt, both parties just accepted "fault" on the proviso that Fury wouldn't go after them for their negligence and they wouldn't remove their victories and they would apply the ban retroactively rather than from the day the hearing concluded.

No fault was proven per se, so you can say it's a fact but you'd be wrong.

They compromised. Below is part of the joint statement from UKAD and the Furys.

The proceedings have therefore been resolved on the following basis: the anti-doping rule violations based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites are upheld, the refusal charge is withdrawn, Hughie and Tyson Fury each receive a two-year period of ineligibility, and their results from their respective fights in February 2015 are disqualified.

The compromise was around the timing and period of the ban. Not the fact of it.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Derek Chisora has managed to be beat pillar to post by everyone he's fought, has he even won a relevant fight in the last decade?

I don't care about what amounts to woman prattle and gossip, I care about the fights that happen.

And the reality is the decent wins for either fighter have been Wlad and Wilder and Povetkin and Wlad respectively anything else is just white noise and that's the truth.

And no one compared Schwarz to Takam you moronic child, a fighter who's not rated in the top 10 (which you switched because it's untenable) isn't apparently good enough for Fury, so it isn't for AJ.

I'm simply stating you need to be consistent with your critiques and praise, it's not difficult to comprehend or at least it isn't for people with more than a couple of brain cells firing off.

Also don't care about a farmer who alleges he was paid off to say he sold wild boar, he's believable when it suits your narrative and he's admitting to being a liar and committing perjury but when he's claiming to have sold wild boar he's a liar.

And as I've explained before on this forum to people, wild boar isn't uncommon, nor are all of the parts that have increased nandrolone, e.g. kidneys, liver, tongue, cheek etc are all pretty commonly eaten.

Testicles which have a negligible amount more nandrolone in them I've never even heard of being eaten in the UK.

But of course people like to make out Fury ate balls because reasons?

And in fact in Germany and other parts of the EU you can literally buy canned wild boar and you'd expect to pop for 2 ng/ml...

Similar in fact to common Fury hating spiel tbh, believe Fury when it suits but call him a compulsive liar the next minute, talking out of both sides of your mouth is their specialty.

If you really aren't trolling you are definitely a Fury fanboy. You said the farmer is a liar - well Fury is a proven liar too. So according to you we shouldn't believe him either then?

Honestly it's pointless talking to you about this. If Fury was caught red-handed with a bottle labelled PEDs you would come up with 4 reasons why it isn't real. But apparently AJ and all other boxers will always be 100% on PEDS with no evidence

AND If you aren't a Fury fan why are you always explaining to people on this forum about wild boar??

Fury himself said he ate uncastrated wild boar for a reason. Nandrolone comes from testosterone which is mostly produced by the testicles. Testosterone spreads through the whole body - it doesn't just stay in the testicles

"About 95% of a man's testosterone is produced in the testicles under the control of LH. The remaining 5% is produced in his adrenal glands. Women also make testosterone in their adrenal glands."

You would know with all your wild boar research what that percentage is in boars.

[Boro]

If you really aren't trolling you are definitely a Fury fanboy. You said the farmer is a liar - well Fury is a proven liar too. So according to you we shouldn't believe him either then?

Honestly it's pointless talking to you about this. If Fury was caught red-handed with a bottle labelled PEDs you would come up with 4 reasons why it isn't real. But apparently AJ and all other boxers will always be 100% on PEDS with no evidence

AND If you aren't a Fury fan why are you always explaining to people on this forum about wild boar??

Fury himself said he ate uncastrated wild boar for a reason. Nandrolone comes from testosterone which is mostly produced by the testicles. Testosterone spreads through the whole body - it doesn't just stay in the testicles

"About 95% of a man's testosterone is produced in the testicles under the control of LH. The remaining 5% is produced in his adrenal glands. Women also make testosterone in their adrenal glands."

You would know with all your wild boar research what that percentage is in boars.

Of you shouldn't believe Fury, just like you shouldn't believe a guy who's willing to claim he's committing perjury right after a guy admits publicly to his biggest payday and instead of going to the correct people he goes to the press...

You understand what all means right!? that includes Fury...

Because we were having a discussion about PEDs and for some reason the guy was obsessed with British fighters and brought up Benn, Fury and others so I explained the ways the can and can't be explained within reason.

Yeah I know he claims he ate uncastrated wild boar the fact he has to point out the fact a wild boar is uncastrated is laughable in and of itself, it's self evident a wild boar would be uncastrated.

FYI eating testicles and offal (heart, kidney, liver and tongue etc etc) are literally negligible differences as I said, we're talking 8 ng/ml vs 7.8 ng/ml differences...

And yes I do know, not just about wild boar.

[Boro]

They compromised. Below is part of the joint statement from UKAD and the Furys.



The compromise was around the timing and period of the ban. Not the fact of it.

why would you even respond to me with a non point, their fights never even got disqualified clearly, so that was redundant.

The hammer and Rudenko wins are both still wins for them and not NCs, which would be the case if the aforementioned happened.

[Toffee]

why would you even respond to me with a non point, their fights never even got disqualified clearly, so that was redundant.

The hammer and Rudenko wins are both still wins for them and not NCs, which would be the case if the aforementioned happened.

The fact that the charge of nandrolone use was upheld is a non point?

It's a fact that Fury had nandrolone in his system, was caught by UKAD, was banned by UKAD, and released a shared statement with UKAD confirming this.