How did Alycia Baumgardner get off scot free?

[ShoulderRoll]

Open your mind and try and comprehend what he is saying or are you listening to just reply. He merely said Canelo cheated and gave a valid comparison. I like Canelo but the fact remains he tested positive and protested his innocence like they all do. This topic was about baumgardner and how she got of free. Do you mean to say because you started the thread we can not refer to other cheats because it upsets you??

Canelo served the punishment handed down by the commission and didn’t try to appeal it or get around it by fighting in another jurisdiction like Conor Benn did. One of several ways in which those PED situations are different.

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For the TS to claim Baumgardner got off with no punishment and the positive swept under the rug is completely dishonest.

Baumgardner was temporarily suspended. She complied with the terms set forth, including multiple random drug tests, as well as Baumgardner’s own decision to submit a hair sample as part of an independent investigation. The provided sample was sufficient enough to test as far back as last June and produced a negative (clean) result.

Baumgardner was deemed by the WBC as “not guilty of intentional ingestion or consumption of a banned substance for performance enhancement purposes” following a lengthy investigation. Despite the determination, the WBC did not entirely allow the undisputed champion off the hook. Baumgardner was placed on a backdated one-year probation period which will end July 12, 2024. She will also have to continue to submit to Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) testing, at her own cost.

I do wonder why the TS chose her and was not honest about how her positive test was addressed?

She got to keep all her belts, and her "suspension" was backdated. So yeah, she got off with no punishment lol.

Not to mention the WBC used to claim "doesn't matter how you got it in your body, you're in charge of what you put in there" to suddenly say "well, it probably wasn't on purpose...like we could prove if it was anyways."


EDIT - Not even a suspension, one year probation. WTF does that even mean??

[Smash]

this lady is most likely a drug cheat, caught with 2 peds, is undisputed champ, keeps her titles and has no sanctions really against her at all, it was all a minor minor inconvenience to her, its almost unbelievable when u think about it, what is the point of testing these people at all

[Superheavyweight]

Sometimes things are in Canadian English.. meaning..


Alycia Baumgardner provided a hair sample to PROVE she accidentally took it.


Floyd Mayweather didn't break the NSAC rules for injecting vitamin D and saline or whatever it was BE-CAUSE he applied for permission to do so (even if he applied for it at the time but wasn't approved until after the fight)


Things are in Canadian English.. even to the point like Chris Algieri said.. we know Ryan Garcia cheated just like Alycia Baumgardner cheated but..


Did Ryan Garcia take it accidentally like Alycia Baumgardner did in Canadian English?


Things are what they are in Canadian English meaning if Haney and Loma fought again.. Haney would probably win be-cause that's what happened.. even really really..


And a clean Ryan Garcia at the same weight would maybe beat Haney either way..


Things are in 2D language in the 3D world etc..


I predicted Haney to win.. but from all the Haney supporters I was one of the few who said Garcia could win.. and I made a point of saying why not call Garcia underrated.. instead of saying Haney is a bad fighter (which is silly.. he beat Loma.. he was undisputed).. instead of calling Garcia a TikTok star just say Garcia is underrated.


I emphasized this before the fight.. saying when you get to a certain point there's no bigger fight at 140 (Haney vs. Garcia.. or vs. Teo etc).. unless fighters move up in weight.. so anything can happen once you get to that level.


I think that pissed off either side TBH.. both Haney fans and Garcia fans.


If you wanna defend Garcia.. say you think PEDs should be legal.. I'm not opposed to it.. but call it what it is in Canadian English.


TBF we don't really know if the PEDs and 3 lbs would have made a difference until they actually have a rematch.


The manner in which he lost makes me think it might go the same way.

[Superheavyweight]

Meaning T-r-u-m-p is the biggest pedmaster out there.. just be consistent.

[IronDanHamza]

Canelo served the punishment handed down by the commission and didn’t try to appeal it or get around it by fighting in another jurisdiction like Conor Benn did. One of several ways in which those PED situations are different.

Conor Benn fought in another jurisdiction because he had a hearing and won it and thus his suspension was lifted I.e he was eligible to fight.

That’s been explained to you so a child could understand yet you still repeat it. Why is that?

Also, what do you mean appeal it? Appeal what? Conor Benn has never appealed anything. He protested his innocence, and he had a hearing regarding his failed test, NO DIFFERENT to what Canelo did. So what are you talking about?

No one even said they weren’t different, generally speaking. Every PED situation has differences. Is there any reason you brought up Conor Benn for no reason?

Also, why did you lie and say Canelo “accepted his punishment” when he didn’t, he protested his innocence, never once accepted that he cheated and had a hearing to do so and was given a result from that hearing which is the exact same thing Conor Benn did/is doing.

[IronDanHamza]

Sometimes things are in Canadian English.. meaning..


Alycia Baumgardner provided a hair sample to PROVE she accidentally took it.


Floyd Mayweather didn't break the NSAC rules for injecting vitamin D and saline or whatever it was BE-CAUSE he applied for permission to do so (even if he applied for it at the time but wasn't approved until after the fight)


Things are in Canadian English.. even to the point like Chris Algieri said.. we know Ryan Garcia cheated just like Alycia Baumgardner cheated but..


Did Ryan Garcia take it accidentally like Alycia Baumgardner did in Canadian English?


Things are what they are in Canadian English meaning if Haney and Loma fought again.. Haney would probably win be-cause that's what happened.. even really really..


And a clean Ryan Garcia at the same weight would maybe beat Haney either way..


Things are in 2D language in the 3D world etc..


I predicted Haney to win.. but from all the Haney supporters I was one of the few who said Garcia could win.. and I made a point of saying why not call Garcia underrated.. instead of saying Haney is a bad fighter (which is silly.. he beat Loma.. he was undisputed).. instead of calling Garcia a TikTok star just say Garcia is underrated.


I emphasized this before the fight.. saying when you get to a certain point there's no bigger fight at 140 (Haney vs. Garcia.. or vs. Teo etc).. unless fighters move up in weight.. so anything can happen once you get to that level.


I think that pissed off either side TBH.. both Haney fans and Garcia fans.


If you wanna defend Garcia.. say you think PEDs should be legal.. I'm not opposed to it.. but call it what it is in Canadian English.


TBF we don't really know if the PEDs and 3 lbs would have made a difference until they actually have a rematch.


The manner in which he lost makes me think it might go the same way.

Hair samples don’t prove someone accidentally took a PED.

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Conor Benn fought in another jurisdiction because he had a hearing and won it and thus his suspension was lifted I.e he was eligible to fight.

That’s been explained to you so a child could understand yet you still repeat it. Why is that?

Also, what do you mean appeal it? Appeal what? Conor Benn has never appealed anything. He protested his innocence, and he had a hearing regarding his failed test, NO DIFFERENT to what Canelo did. So what are you talking about?

No one even said they weren’t different, generally speaking. Every PED situation has differences. Is there any reason you brought up Conor Benn for no reason?

Also, why did you lie and say Canelo “accepted his punishment” when he didn’t, he protested his innocence, never once accepted that he cheated and had a hearing to do so and was given a result from that hearing which is the exact same thing Conor Benn did/is doing.

Conor Benn hasn’t been licensed to fight in the UK for quite some time. Why is that, Dan?

[IronDanHamza]

Conor Benn hasn’t been licensed to fight in the UK for quite some time. Why is that, Dan?

Because after he won his his hearing against them, and his suspension was lifted, they then went through an appeal process, which they are entitled to, meaning they were within their rights to refuse to license him in the UK, despite the fact he was no longer suspended in any country.

This doesn’t change the fact that he had a hearing with them and won that hearing thus his suspension was lifted at that time. Which, is why he was eligible to fight anywhere in the world (license pending).

I have explained this to you numerous times to the point a child could understand it. So what will it take to sink in?

So, what you did there was outright lie that he “tried to get around it by fighting in another jurisdiction” because that didn’t happen. He had a hearing and won said hearing. No different than Canelo who also had a hearing.

You also said Conor Benn appealed a commission decision. That didn’t happen, that is a lie.

Also, why did you lie and say Canelo “accepted his punishment” when he didn’t, he protested his innocence, never once accepted that he cheated and had a hearing to do so and was given a result from that hearing which is the exact same thing Conor Benn did/is doing.

Why are you refusing to answer this?

[ShoulderRoll]

Because after he won his his hearing against them, and his suspension was lifted, they then went through an appeal process, which they are entitled to, meaning they were within their rights to refuse to license him in the UK, despite the fact he was no longer suspended in any country.

This doesn’t change the fact that he had a hearing with them and won that hearing thus his suspension was lifted at that time. Which, is why he was eligible to fight anywhere in the world (license pending).

I have explained this to you numerous times to the point a child could understand it. So what will it take to sink in?

So, what you did there was outright lie that he “tried to get around it by fighting in another jurisdiction” because that didn’t happen. He had a hearing and won said hearing. No different than Canelo who also had a hearing.

You also said Conor Benn appealed a commission decision. That didn’t happen, that is a lie.

Also, why did you lie and say Canelo “accepted his punishment” when he didn’t, he protested his innocence, never once accepted that he cheated and had a hearing to do so and was given a result from that hearing which is the exact same thing Conor Benn did/is doing.

Why are you refusing to answer this?

And UKAD and the BBBoC won their appeal, didn’t they? With Conor Benn now being suspended and not being licensed to fight in the UK going on several years now?

Canelo promptly served his suspension from the Las Vegas commission, got it over with, and resumed his career. Yet more differences between the two situations.