Comments Thread For: Fury Too Flawed For All-Time Greatness, But Perfectly Flawed For Fan-Friendliness

[kafkod]

No. Fury can’t be an ATG because he’s only beaten 2 good fighters his entire career, and just lost to a middleweight (his own words). The Wilder trilogy might have been classic fights, but Wilder is a one-trick pony and was just dominated and lost every round to Parker. Fury ran from the Klitschko rematch twice, was caught cheating and AJ ironed him out instead.

He’s made a load of money but wasted too much of his career fighting nobodies and snorting coke. Fury ain’t coming back to avenge anything. That was the best possible version of him that turned up on Saturday and he still lost. If he takes the rematch he’ll lose again.

What makes him an ATG exactly?

I didn't say he was an ATG. All I said was that losing to Usyk doesn't rule him out of the conversation.

[sidefx996]

I digress. You want an action packed heavyweight fight, look up Corrie Sanders vs Vitali Klitschko. That was a barn burner fight. I think it was rd2 that was nuts, but there was plenty of awesome exchanges while it lasted.

How about Smokin' Bert Cooper vs Michael Moorer or Evander Holyfield? Shame for him he wasn't fighting in a different era.

[Bro. Steve]

~ "Fury is an enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a spare tire."

This man will win the Pulitzer one day.

If only he had said something about how evil T_rump is, the Pulitzer would have been his!

[turnedup]

Fury is and has been the most overrated boxer of this generation closely followed by Deontay Wilder, still his best win. He won an ugly fight against a 40 year old he kept delaying to the point of over training then went and hid behind the mental health excuse when he got exposed as a drug cheat. Without his size and theatrics he’s an average fighter. The only thing special about fury is his footwork and it ends there. Defense, as we just saw average because all he does is use his size to lean away…to the exact same position each time hence the left kept catching him over and over. He offense is pure shhh, even with a massive reach advantage.

[turnedup]

I didn't say he was an ATG. All I said was that losing to Usyk doesn't rule him out of the conversation.

He shouldn’t be in the conversation at all. I think that’s the point and should be the general consensus among people who compare his resume against any top ten heavyweight.

[trippleupper]

I'm pretty certain Mike Tyson is considered an all time great, even though he's also probably one of the most overhyped, overrated athletes in history. I guess his biggest win is against Spinks (another blown up cruiserweight), and against a 38 year old, two years retired Larry Holmes. He got sparked by Lewis and dominated twice by the five years older Holyfield (and only bit his ear in the second fight as a way out of getting knocked out again). Got destroyed by Buster Douglas and knocked out by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. And please save me all the pRiMe MiKe tYsOn stuff. I swear I've never seen anyone whose fans make more excuses. The reality is he got taken the distance and started getting exposed FOUR TIMES prior to getting knocked out by Douglas at a ripe old age of 23. Never fought Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, Mercer, Morrison, Cooper... I feel like he would almost certainly be judged much more harshly in 2024. These days you're overrated and crap as soon as you lose a fight. In boxing anyway...

Tyson's wins against Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, and Frank Bruno (all world champions) as well as Razor Ruddock and Frans Botha were impressive.

[kafkod]

Great art, did you do it bu yorself. …

I had an employee. His name was Robert.. his parents were mexican ***s

art just flowed outta him…

he had a spot at an LA art show his best work was Mickey Mouse, under a street light with a syringe sticking outta his arm

ｉsome guys can create beauty outta nothing

Not sure if your talking about my avatar or my sig pic.

But whatever, I didn't create either of them. I can't draw or paint for ****!

[kafkod]

He shouldn’t be in the conversation at all. I think that’s the point and should be the general consensus among people who compare his resume against any top ten heavyweight.

I can't argue with this. But my point was that most of the guys who are in the conversation have taken losses in their careers.

[Slaw]

Greetings.

A few points:

Fury is not 6'9, at least not now. Ageing and the repetitive adding/reducing excess weight has diminished this, along with his balance and flexibility. He's a legit 6'7.

Usyk's conditioning. Contrary to the article, Fury did not have it all his own way inside as many predicted, and three back-to-back camps have given Usyk a noticeable increase in thickness since Dubois. He nullified Fury's clinch work with effective arm and glove placement, along with pure strength.

Punch stats matter. CompuBox makes grim reading for anyone who's still lazily giving rounds to Fury which he didn't earn. Usyk landed more leather on him than anyone he's ever faced and, although Fury had some success in the middle of the fight, Usyk massively outscored him with power punches from the 9th onwards. Having watched it back and run the numbers, my initial score of 7-5 Usyk looks generous to Fury.

Fury took Wilder's soul and he got lost in psychedelics and trash TV, so was already shot before the Parker loss, which means nothing except to those who've jumped on the Parker bandwagon (Zhang is a stiff past round 5 but still had him in deep waters). Joshua flattens all of them.

The important context regarding Mike Tyson cleaning out the division was his age. We can debate the quality of opponents, but this was essentially a kid just out of his teenage years ploughing through grown men with experience at the highest level. I also dismiss the notion he didn't go into the trenches; for example, the Bonecrusher Smith fight became a frustrating and difficult assignment which he successfully navigated.

An ATG would not fight Derek Chisora three times. Just sayin'.

[juggernaut666]

This is why it’s important Usyk defeats him twice if they fight again , guys simply aren’t going to give him credit the article proves this as there’s just still a push to find ways to justify making Fury the best of this era even though there’s not much to warrant it . Even his biggest fan Gareth admits he needs to beat both Usyk and Joshua to determine that and apparently all Fury has to do is defeat Usyk once even though he got battered in the fight he just had ?


Id rather he fought Joshua and just get it over with because Joshua would smash him and that’ll be that . The two best guys have already fought twice that’s just a hard reality for some ,it’s on Fury to show he was any better then Joshua not the other way around because once again this fight doesn’t remotely show that . Lol