Why did de la Hoya agree to fight Pacquiao at 147?

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Money...

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This wasn't some kind of plan on Pac and Freddie's part though, they had no way of knowing Oscar wouldn't come in the ring the way he did and deserve all of the credit in the world for taking a chance.

It was a calculated risk, the odds of Oscar making 147 strong at that point of his career was well known in Roaches head, he was talking about how they put a foot on the scales against Forbes and was adamant if Oscar was a 1/4 over its no fight, they knew the weight was crucial, and so does a lot more today than back then, look at fans today going on about a pound, which is true and has always been there, but fans that for the most part know very little about the sport under the bonnet know today weight is crucial.

Manny refusing to fight these guys without a CW that will have a negative impact on them tells a story, if it didn't matter why demand it, only a fanboy would believe it doesn't matter and was a major calculation in making the fights, Manny would never in a million years fight a 164 Oscar and Floyd made the same jumps from 130 as Manny did.

I don't have anything bad to say about Manny he was a great champion but as Teddy said his resume is man made and his style sold it to fans.

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1. Money.
2. Oscar may be a sad clown and a horrible human being, but as a fighter? Dude was always down to fight anybody, anytime, anywhere, in any weight.

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People just can't stop re-litigating this ancient history in boxing.

Didn't Dela Hoya asked for this fight? Floyd ducked the rematch and Oscar wanted a then rising star in Pacquiao for Golden Boy to pave way for his aimed PPV blockbuster. As simple as that.

Oscar weight drained himself. Even then the odds back then were still in Oscar's favor. In other words, Pacquiao was still seen as the underdog. That's what boxing aficionado Ted Atlas and many others saw. Atlas hated Pacquiao calling him one-dimensional. He couldn't believe the result.

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People just can't stop re-litigating this ancient history in boxing.

Didn't Dela Hoya asked for this fight? Floyd ducked the rematch and Oscar wanted a then rising star in Pacquiao for Golden Boy to pave way for his aimed PPV blockbuster. As simple as that.

Oscar weight drained himself. Even then the odds back then were still in Oscar's favor. In other words, Pacquiao was still seen as the underdog. That's what boxing aficionado Ted Atlas and many others saw. Atlas hated Pacquiao calling him one-dimensional. He couldn't believe the result.

Everybody believed it after the fight because of the IV needed to gain two pounds nobody was shocked even the commentary made a big deal about how weak Oscar was, the betting is a reflection of the masses and the masses are not the smartest, go look at the betting and how many big bets were refused after the weighin. Roach was expecting Oscar to outweigh them by 15lbs this was a week before the fight, if the average fan knew what it meant to gain only 2lbs after IV use to be 2lbs lighter than Manny the odds would have been totally different with Manny being a red hot favorite.

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ell known It was a calculated risk, the odds of Oscar making 147 strong at that point of his career was win Roaches head, he was talking about how they put a foot on the scales against Forbes and was adamant if Oscar was a 1/4 over its no fight, they knew the weight was crucial, and so does a lot more today than back then, look at fans today going on about a pound, which is true and has always been there, but fans that for the most part know very little about the sport under the bonnet know today weight is crucial.

Manny refusing to fight these guys without a CW that will have a negative impact on them tells a story, if it didn't matter why demand it, only a fanboy would believe it doesn't matter and was a major calculation in making the fights, Manny would never in a million years fight a 164 Oscar and Floyd made the same jumps from 130 as Manny did.

I don't have anything bad to say about Manny he was a great champion but as Teddy said his resume is man made and his style sold it to fans.

This wasn't calculated at all, he had a big opportunity against all odds came out the winner. Oscar didn't offer a higher weight because the cherrypick looked bad enough.

The fight only happened so Oscar could use it as a distraction to duck Margarito.

Its laughable to suggest it was some scheme on team Pac's part, they had no negotiating power whatsoever other than Oscar wanting the fight.

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This wasn't calculated at all, he had a big opportunity against all odds came out the winner. Oscar didn't offer a higher weight because the cherrypick looked bad enough.

The fight only happened so Oscar could use it as a distraction to duck Margarito.

Its laughable to suggest it was some scheme on team Pac's part, they had no negotiating power whatsoever other than Oscar wanting the fight.

Youre gullible if you think team Manny didn't understand the weight stipulations on Oscar, it was a very well-calculated fight where they knew the weight would have an effect, how much they couldn't be sure of until the weigh-in where an IV was needed to gain two pounds, Roach knew then Oscar was done dinner.

It was 10 years ago Canelo fought at 154, if he agreed to Fight TC at 154 how drained do you think Canelo would be? Manny Oscar is the same deal.

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Youre gullible if you think team Manny didn't understand the weight stipulations on Oscar, it was a very well-calculated fight where they knew the weight would have an effect, how much they couldn't be sure of until the weigh-in where an IV was needed to gain two pounds, Roach knew then Oscar was done dinner.

He had no stips, he was calling the shots, Manny simply took the opportunity and ran with it. Sometimes that is what it takes, betting on yourself and winning.

Manny had no power whatsoever in the dynamic other than in the ring to smack Oscar around until he quit on his stool. Manny basically just got lucky that Oscar made several bad decisions here and that is not on him.

Its always a good win when you're the underdog regardless of hindsight.

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He had no stips, he was calling the shots, Manny simply took the opportunity and ran with it. Sometimes that is what it takes, betting on yourself and winning.

Manny had no power whatsoever in the dynamic other than in the ring to smack Oscar around until he quit on his stool. Manny basically just got lucky that Oscar made several bad decisions here and that is not on him.

Its always a good win when you're the underdog regardless of hindsight.

I assure you Oscar was not the one that demanded 147 lol, go research the making of that fight it started I believe at 143, Team Manny knew that weight was a really big deal when you bring elites down, that was then, today every would scream draining just like Davis-Garcia etc, you cannot do the Manny weight trick today the public are on to it, imagine Inoue vs Tank at 128, or TC vs Canelo at 154, never going to fly, Mannys management and matchmaking was a superb and his style fan friendly which is all the requirements to sell some BS to the masses and they did, but they needed a great fighter to pull it off and they had one.

Any win is good, but the merit in a win is not equal, look at the Gold Medal winner that won the final because the whole lineup fell on the last turn and he being last sailed around the heap and won, he was also the underdog, well Manny did a lot better than that but there is a lot of smoke an mirrors that stand out like dog balls when you understand boxing for real.

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I assure you Oscar was not the one that demanded 147 lol, go research the making of that fight it started I believe at 143, Team Manny knew that weight was a really big deal when you bring elites down, that was then, today every would scream draining just like Davis-Garcia etc, you cannot do the Manny weight trick today the public are on to it, imagine Inoue vs Tank at 128, or TC vs Canelo at 154, never going to fly, Mannys management and matchmaking was a superb and his style fan friendly which is all the requirements to sell some BS to the masses and they did, but they needed a great fighter to pull it off and they had one.

Any win is good, but the merit in a win is not equal, look at the Gold Medal winner that won the final because the whole lineup fell on the last turn and he being last sailed around the heap and won, he was also the underdog, well Manny did a lot better than that but there is a lot of smoke an mirrors that stand out like dog balls when you understand boxing for real.

Stop it, Manny was just an exciting fighter in manlet divisions which only hardcore fans care about but not this superstar who had all of this pull in the biz until AFTER the Oscar fight. He demanded nothing because he was in no position to, don't revise history.