Comments Thread For: One Punch From Nery Keeps Crawford in the P4P Debate

[vinnieq]

Let's see how Bud reacts if he gets dropped by Madrimov.

This getting dropped being used to separate greatness is asinine. Ali got dropped. Hearns got dropped. Both are ATGs. - and what are we even measuring? Their resistance to punches plus their defensive prowess? But what if you favour attacking prowess and excitement?

great point.
even a fighter losing a catchweight fight.. does that mean he's now not as good as we thought?
i don't think haney is any less of a fighter now because he lost to an opponent in a different weightclass.
nor did i think rigondeaux was any worse when he lost to lomachenko.

[57Blues]

P4P is a fictitious based on opinion and conjecture and a few other not so serious idea's of what constitutes a professional boxer and that all makes for a sometimes interesting conversation for some writers and deep thinkers but ..............who cares...............

[vinnieq]

Kav was 5 years ago and was a flash KD. Gamboa was a decade ago. Neither were mistakes that big. Inoue got countered with a wide looping punch and was down and hurt.

and kavliauskas was a beast at the weight. them punches had some meat behind them. Crawford didn't back down. he did seem to just time the guy well after that and go through him.

all this highlighting knockdowns is another shade of 'protecting the zero on your record'. it makes fighters less adventurous.

[vinnieq]

P4P is a fictitious based on opinion and conjecture and a few other not so serious idea's of what constitutes a professional boxer and that all makes for a sometimes interesting conversation for some writers and deep thinkers but ..............who cares...............

ya its grey area nonsense that gives writers some power when they think they know what it involves

[Madison Boxing]

crawford fights in a real division and dismantled spence who was a world class fighter.... even eye test wise he is leagues above inoue who just got dropped by a bum

[Jdasilva2012]

Are you kidding me? are you penalizing a fighter for something that in fact should make us elevate him like coming from adversity or a KD to win a fight?

In what kind of era of boxing are we leaving? Some fight never go through this kind of adversity not because they are so brilliant but but their competition is not that good, rarely are in a 50/50 fight or never are the underdog.

This is absolutely nonsense.

[Jdasilva2012]

I'm proud of this community that has shown me that they know more about boxing and are more unbias than certain "writers"

[crimsonfalcon07]

Inoue has fought literally the best available competition his entire career. I don't particularly care if he got knocked down. The best fighters in all of history have been knocked down, and even defeated. What matters is how you handle it and what you do after. And what he did after was make the adjustment, take over by the end of the round even, deliver a methodical beating, and brutally stop his guy.

Bud absolutely has been in trouble before. He was clearly dropped by Mean Machine. And writers then focused on the right thing... What he did after. And Bud hasn't taken on the challenges that Inoue has. Inoue has fought the divisional best after moving up 3 times. The worst mismatches on his resume were all mandatory defenses against guys that the alphabet organizations forced him to face (and let's not forget that Canelo won't even fight his mandatories). Inoue doesn't have ANY tuneups on his resume. More than half his career is against current or former champions, most ranked in the top 5. Bud has fought 25%. If he can run the mandatory gauntlet at 122, he'll have completely cleaned out two straight divisions. Bud has cleaned at best 1. Inoue has fought 14 guys who were champions to Bud's 10. 22 title fights to 17.

Bud is certainly in the conversation, but he didn't attempt the level of difficulty of career that Inoue did. He moved up and took his time fighting easier fights to settle into his weight classes. He's moved on having never fought notable competitors. I don't like devaluing Bud because I feel like he, Inoue, and Usyk can all be appreciated for what they've accomplished.

But I wonder how he'd have done fighting the way Inoue has. Inoue is the only active fighter who regularly uses his cash cow status to make the challenging fights. You don't see him saying "if the money is right" or "what does he bring to the table?". He just asks who the next best guy is in his division, and fights him.

Usyk is the only other guy who can really say that, and Usyk's resume isn't anywhere near that of the others. To put them in the same playing field requires giving bonuses for being in bigger divisions, even if some of those divisions are so weak that two guys coming off a loss in the division below can fight each other for an immediate title shot. That defeats the entire concept of P4P. If we didn't take weight into account, and give extra "weight" to divisions that are considered more glamorous, how then do they measure up?

[factsarenice]

Great, great read from a gifted writer and closet boxing fanatic. Crawford, Inoue and Usyk dare to be great, a rarity in the age of reality TV.
That said, if Usyk can pull this off he has a case, and Israil Madrimov is a bigger stronger Egis Kavaliauskas, he can end Crawford's arms race.

[juanpablo]

Great, great read from a gifted writer and closet boxing fanatic. Crawford, Inoue and Usyk dare to be great, a rarity in the age of reality TV.
That said, if Usyk can pull this off he has a case, and Israil Madrimov is a bigger stronger Egis Kavaliauskas, he can end Crawford's arms race.

What's a closet boxing fanatic? Lol