Haney needs to retire - fake champion with no chin

[drablj]

why would haney retire? because he lost once? you do realize that one recent hall of famer (equals great career) has 10 losses and one older has 65 losses. nobody is a bum and needs to retire because he lost a couple of times. i am in no way haney's fan nor garcia's. ryan was just better that night. there's nothing more to it. neither of them is something special. don't spew hate just to kill boredom.

[uppercut510]

boxing fans are something else smh, he definitely needs work but stop, ryan has his number its just like that sometimes, you aint gon win every fight and sometimes you get yo ass beat

[uppercut510]

If he rematches Garcia it would be worse the second time. Every time Garcia decided to go forward and land he was on his butt. I have mentioned if Haney could not hurt Garcia he was going to have a difficult time because he is as big or bigger than him.

yeah now that garcia knows haney cant hurt him and cant take his power, pretty much all he has to do is throw his hands and eventually he will land as devins guard is easy to punch through. but if devin actually fought like he usually does he would have had more success, he won some rounds its just that he felt that power and never recovered imo

[uppercut510]

where all them people who were saying he didn't rob loma...

at what point will you all get over it lol, it was a close fight

[OnePunch]

A reasonable guy after a fight. I thought I was the only one.

Look 2 guys walk in the ring. One guy wins, one guy loses. Thats just how it works. You could be #2 in the world losing to #1 or #2154 losing to #542 in the world. These two were both high level guys & one guy was gonna lose. It don't make Devin, #2 by most ppl at 140 on Friday, #2154 cuz he lost to a top 15 guy, on Friday, in Ryan.

Also its gonna become more relevant that Devin made weight & Ryan didn't. Maybe the same thing goes down if Ryan made 140, but reasonable ppl & esp Team Haney can question that with how things went down. I think this rematch will be much more hyped than this first fight & hopefully both come in on weight this time.

I dont necessarily agree with that. Its like saying that Floyd-JMM would have looked different had Floyd actually made weight.

This is on Haney. Garcia just made a strategy decision, nothing more, nothing less. He decided that it was worth $1.5 million to not dehydrate himself down, and Haney accepted that deal.

[billeau2]

Haney is fine and will recover. When not getting knocked down he was winning.

This gets down to subjective scoring. I don't see how you can be winning a fight if you're not hurting your opponent. I mean at some point it has to be considered. No way was hanney winning this fight imo. And yeah judges will f****** fights eternally.

Part of Haney's problem is he may believe a similar train of thought that you present. I believe it's preventing him from sitting down on his shots. You're never going to keep people off if you can't cause them harm. This is boxing.

The lad has to stop trying to gain the system with hydration. Ultimately it caught up with him when Ryan just said f*** it and fought out his best weight. Devin needs to fight in a weight class that he can fight comfortably in.

It may just be he doesn't have enough power. Then he has to work on refining his technical abilities and not making mistakes against punchers. That's why we look at prospects and then there were none.

Everything has to work out for you. You're fighting at such an elite level if you have any weakness it becomes exposure. I don't think Haney is damaged goods like a lot people I do think he has to really start to hone in on how he can be effective.

[crimsonfalcon07]

at what point will you all get over it lol, it was a close fight

Tells you everything that Haney categorically refused to rematch him. Close fight? Haney knew he didn't deserve that win. I'm just amused by all the Haney huggers who insisted he clearly won going silent after Mental Garcia dropped him five times. Now we know how he does when he doesn't outweigh his opponent by 20 lbs...

[daggum]

at what point will you all get over it lol, it was a close fight

loma clearly won. they robbed loma just so haney could go on to lose to garcia. what a waste of effort that was for them. lomas win over haney doesnt even look that good in comparison now that haney lost. what a shame for him.

[Eff Pandas]

This is on Haney. Garcia just made a strategy decision, nothing more, nothing less. He decided that it was worth $1.5 million to not dehydrate himself down, and Haney accepted that deal.

Where did I suggest its not on Team Haney? I've argued exactly what you are saying in other threads already.

BUT the thing I think is being discounted by fans is the weight issue all the same. Usually fans are all over the guy coming in over. Hell you just referenced Floyd switching the weight at the last minute vs JMM 15yrs ago. This stuff ALWAYS matters to some fans but I don't see it being mentioned by no one of note this time like I see it mentioned previously with Tank, David, Nery, etc & so on. There is no asterisk on this fight like ppl so eagerly put it on other fights.

As I said in the post you quoted tho idk if it changes the outcome & if Haney agreed to it it is what it is anyway, thats not why I brought it up, but idk how its so irrelevant this time when weight issues from 15yrs ago are brought up & other guys most notably Nery are near shunned for coming in over by some fans to KO a guy he already KO'd while making weight. Its just a weird dynamic here to me.

[Eff Pandas]

Tells you everything that Haney categorically refused to rematch him.

Devin was a free agent. Arum didn't make the best offer. Its a business thing not a fear of Loma or losing thing.

It'd be ****** as a free agent to go sign a deal for less money to rematch a guy you officially beat in a close fight most ppl had 7-5 either way.

This is a business more than a sport esp for the boxers & promoters. Thats why Devin didn't accept an inferior offer & prob why Bob didn't make the biggest offer. The math didn't math for Devin or Bob. More upside for Devin to go towards bigger money & for Bob to push the narrative Loma was robbed instead of paying a lot to run it back & maybe risk Loma not winning & Devin being a free agent again.