What are some fights where legendary fighters heavily fouled.

[mxtali]

Floyd vs Maidana rematch. The holding was ridiculous. Good thing Maidana offset it with that bite

[Spray_resistant]

Thinking that might be some kind of record.

Never seen so many low blows in a fight, I guess the ref decided low blows would be legal just for that night.

Lawrence Cole is a corrupt and obviously bought ref by the TX commission, he always lets the A-side usually in that area its going to be a popular Mexican fighter get away with anything they want

[djtmal]

It's pure ideology with Mayweather die hards. They won't even concede the smallest thing. They've built themselves up into this tower where they think Mayweather represents all that's pure and good about boxing and will defend it to the death.

They also think that their word on something is the be all and end all.

Its not.

[djtmal]

Yes, I made a GUESS, that it was probably around 5 per round on average. Because that's low, and I knew that it was low.

I then went and COUNTED the exact number of clinches and the number was 24.

I don't give a two s**ts what you went back and did and I am certainly not going by what a card carrying biased Floyd boy is counting.

I am sticking with your initial guestimation, which was 60 holds.

It looked like about 40-60 holds when I watched it live.

[dan-b]

They also think that their word on something is the be all and end all.

Its not.

They're invested in this idea that he was a "master boxer". We're supposed to be impressed by him covering up on the ropes and then shaking his head afterwards instead of throwing some punches.

People were generally uninterested in his "style" until he turned heel, and even then most people tuned in hoping he would get knocked out.

[djtmal]

They're invested in this idea that he was a "master boxer". We're supposed to be impressed by him covering up on the ropes and then shaking his head afterwards instead of throwing some punches.

People were generally uninterested in his "style" until he turned heel, and even then most people tuned in hoping he would get knocked out.

I counted more clinches than punches landed for Mayweather in that fight.

He must have brought in Bernard Hopkins to help him prepare.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't give a two s**ts what you went back and did and I am certainly not going by what a card carrying biased Floyd boy is counting.

I am sticking with your initial guestimation, which was 60 holds.

It looked like about 40-60 holds when I watched it live.

Right so you aren't interested in the actual reality and the facts of the matter.

Sums you up doesn't it

He held 24 times in a 12 round fight, that is a fact.

Even your guess of 40-60 (which is factually incorrect) is not even excessive.

[IronDanHamza]

They also think that their word on something is the be all and end all.

Its not.

I mean, you can deny reality all you want if it makes you feel better

Failing that, go and count them yourself and tell me the real number if it's not 24.

[djtmal]

Right so you aren't interested in the actual reality and the facts of the matter.

He held 24 times in a 12 round fight, that is a fact.

Even your guess of 40-60 (which is factually incorrect) is not even excessive.

The actual facts and reality is, first you estimated that he held 60 times, then you estimated 24 times. I call bs.

I think he excessively held because it was far more times than Manny Pacquaio did.

Irregardless of the exact amount of times, general consensus is Mayweather excessively held in the Pacquaio fight enough to totally drain the energy from the fight and affect the outcome (aka spoiler tactics).

You and your Floyd boy facts don't really factor in.

[IronDanHamza]

The actual facts and reality is, first you estimated that he held 60 times, then you estimated 24 times. I call bs.

I think he excessively held because it was far more times than Manny Pacquaio did.

Irregardless of the exact amount of times, general consensus is Mayweather excessively held in the Pacquaio fight enough to totally drain the energy from the fight and affect the outcome.

No, no. I estimated 5 per round on average.

I then went and watched the fight, and counted every clinch. Which was 24. That's not an estimate. That is an objective fact. You can call BS on it all you want, you can go outside and say the sky isn't blue while you're at it. Doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Oh right so here's another goalpost move, clinching more than the other guy is excessive holding now? So if he'd held 3 times in the entire fight then that would be excessive holding to you? Pathetic.

Except it is not general consensus at all. And, it's objectively not true. 24 times in a 12 round fight is not excessive. It's as simple as that. Cope with that as you will.