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  • street bully
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    #21
    Originally posted by IMDAZED
    Top Rank are excellent at raising fighters. De La Hoya, Mayweather and Cotto, for examples.
    They are. However Mayweather never recieved the star treatment DLH and Cotto got from him. Those three faced god competition, especially Mayweather who was thrown in with lions very early on.

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      #22
      Originally posted by street bully
      They are. However Mayweather never recieved the star treatment DLH and Cotto got from him. Those three faced god competition, especially Mayweather who was thrown in with lions very early on.
      I mean they have to milk Chavez Jr for all he's worth cuz he will lose than they won't make **** off of him.

      I think that one is a smart business move. Dummies will pay for his ppvs and sellout arenas fighting stiffs. It's great reward on little risk with that guy.

      They have no excuse with JuanMa. Because only the best fights will make him money...and the competition is waiting.

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      • Iceta
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        #23
        Originally posted by Animalistic 5.0
        So great of you to bring a portion of Cotto's career when he was having problems making 140 and all those guys were quality fighters (Malignaggi beat your boy Diaz). BTW Gomez? How does that go with babying? That was to set up a fight with Margarito you dumb ass.
        How about never going after the guy who is number 1 or 2 ranked in a division and waiting for the title to be up for grabs? I don't think Cotto is all that protected either, but I'm just giving some examples of how even some of the opponents he fought were no threat to him. So you don't see a problem with the difference of Margarito fighting Cintron and Cotto fighting Gomez? As much as I don't like Horus for his Floyd cheerleading, he was absolutely right about that when he made that thread about Cotto being a question mark.

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        • oc9979
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          #24
          Originally posted by street bully
          They are. However Mayweather never recieved the star treatment DLH and Cotto got from him. Those three faced god competition, especially Mayweather who was thrown in with lions very early on.
          you have to remember that DLH was there with FMJ. Arum had a better chance of making more money with DLH than with FMJ.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Iceta
            How about never going after the guy who is number 1 or 2 ranked in a division and waiting for the title to be up for grabs? I don't think Cotto is all that protected either, but I'm just giving some examples of how even some of the opponents he fought were no threat to him. So you don't see a problem with the difference of Margarito fighting Cintron and Cotto fighting Gomez? As much as I don't like Horus for his Floyd cheerleading, he was absolutely right about that when he made that thread about Cotto being a question mark.
            Margarito needed a tough fight like that because he was still coming back from a loss.

            Cotto was in the drivers seat. If it was the other way around, it would have been the same ****, it was nothing but a tune up for a mega fight.

            And of course I see you respond to him and not me because you know I'm right.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Iceta
              How about never going after the guy who is number 1 or 2 ranked in a division and waiting for the title to be up for grabs? I don't think Cotto is all that protected either, but I'm just giving some examples of how even some of the opponents he fought were no threat to him. So you don't see a problem with the difference of Margarito fighting Cintron and Cotto fighting Gomez? As much as I don't like Horus for his Floyd cheerleading, he was absolutely right about that when he made that thread about Cotto being a question mark.
              Margarito fought Cintron
              while Cotto fought Gomez

              Margarito fough 5 fights while Cotto fought 7 fights

              Margarito fought Johnson
              while Cotto fought Mosley

              Margarito fought Williams
              while Cotto fought Judah

              Margarito fought Clottey
              while Cotto fought Urkal and Quintana.

              Margarito fought Manuel Gomez
              while Cotto fought Malignaggi and Branco

              all this basically in the same time frame
              starting from 01/01/2006

              also the winning record of the opponents were
              Margarito
              144-19-5 85% winning record

              Cotto
              214-15-3 92% winning record
              Last edited by oc9979; 10-11-2009, 01:32 PM.

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              • Iceta
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                #27
                Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                Margarito needed a tough fight like that because he was still coming back from a loss.

                Cotto was in the drivers seat. If it was the other way around, it would have been the same ****, it was nothing but a tune up for a mega fight.

                And of course I see you respond to him and not me because you know I'm right.
                But can we both agree that Arum protected Cotto when he threw him in with Gomez, Urkal, Malinaggi, and Branco? I'm not talking about the rest of his resume. I'm talking about those particular opponents. After seeing of how sorry Lopez is, I mentioned earlier that it made me want to take back some of the nitpicking that I did about Cotto. But you guys just want to keep debating me about this and not admit that I have a legit point.

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                • Al Haymon
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Animalistic 5.0
                  Blame HBO for that. They give Golden Boy almost all the HBO dates.
                  Ditto.

                  Greenburg has already committed a bunch of "blind" dates to GBP. HBO doesn't know who is fighting, but they are relying on GBP to deliver the talent.

                  Now, on a certain level, I can't be mad t that. Every business has their 'preferred vendors. Any of you guys who are businessmen try to attain that status.

                  Plus, the relationship b/w Greenburg and Arum is non-existent. duBoeuf has a better relationship, but Ross won't even take Bob's calls. BA has exhausted all his goodwill in Rockefeller Center.

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                  • savorduhflavor
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Iceta
                    But can we both agree that Arum protected Cotto when he threw him in with Gomez, Urkal, Malinaggi, and Branco? I'm not talking about the rest of his resume. I'm talking about those particular opponents. After seeing of how sorry Lopez is, I mentioned earlier that it made me want to take back some of the nitpicking that I did about Cotto. But you guys just want to keep debating me about this and not admit that I have a legit point.
                    Malignaggi was not an opponent that protected fighter gets. Paulie was undefeated and pretty respected.

                    Urkal was a mandatory and a tough one at that. People forget he came close to beating Kostya Tszyu.

                    Not every fight for everyone is going to be a world beater man. You are picking 4 fights out of Cotto's resume to show that he's been protected at one point. That is the definition of reaching.

                    I mean, you want me to start dissecting Shane's resume at LW? What about his fights after he came back to 147 from 154? What about his WW opponents after he beat Oscar the first time?

                    Everyone has a few duds on their resume. You're singling out the very few duds Cotto has on his resume and saying "Oh, well Arum protected him in these isolated situations"...its just a point not even worth bringing up.

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                    • warp1432
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                      #30
                      Even if HBO were to give top rank fights, the match ups would still suck...

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