Is Canelo Greater than Chavez ? If he never fights Benavidez

[garfios]

Yeah I mean that's boxing these days. I agree from a general perspective with what you're saying. But Canelo has fought some tough opponents and while older Fighters Imo were bred under much better conditions, fought much more, had many more technical skills, just doesn't mean that every situation is a negative for Canelo.

I also think Chavez got a few gifts as well. Also I should clarify that I just think Sanchez because of the tragedy that occurred is hard to compare, not that he wasn't a fantastic fighter. I mean if I had to Hazard a guess, assuming Sanchez had lived, he probably would have had one incredible career even beyond what he achieved.

Jus for the sake of argument, do you really think cotto, Mosley and floyd were in their prime when he fought them? He was given the opportunity that he refuses to give now, and he's younger. He's protected by the media, his team and the judges, he should have a least two more loses in his record and what us more, he holding the belts hostage. You don't want to take a risk, okay you have already make a ton of money and you should be able to retire and enjoy that wealth, vacate the belts and let other guys make some money, this is the biggest proble I see with the situation. He will be judge by his actions.
ps. Older Fighters are old, they're there mostly to collect a check, nobody is praising Joppy because he beat Duran.

[IronDanHamza]

What really happened is selective for you. Because Sanchez won, and Azumah was a very good amateur back when they didn't use headgear. Sanchez had almost no amateur experience, 9 fights. And what really happened with canelo's fights was corrupts judges. Why don't you mention all those hall of famers that canelo beat, pretty sure they were old and past their prime, I think one of them beat him too, and almost got robbed. Like I said, canelo doesn't have fans, fanboys they are. A guy like you that "live" throught those greats fighters and picking a fraud over Sanchez and Chávez. I think you just read what happened back then.

You can assert that if it makes you feel better. Reality is I prefer Sanchez as a fighter to Canelo. I'm not the biggest fan of Canelo despite liking him as a fighter. So your theory is nothing but pure nonsense, to be honest.

It's not selective at all, quite the opposite actually. Canelo didn't lose Lara, Canelo didn't lose to GGG and Sanchez didn't beat a prime version of Azumah Nelson. Those are just facts of the matter.

Sanchez and Chavez are great fighters, no question about that. Sanchez didn't fulfil his potential due to what happened to him. But his resume is no where close to Canelo's. It's just not.

[garfios]

You can assert that if it makes you feel better. Reality is I prefer Sanchez as a fighter to Canelo. I'm not the biggest fan of Canelo despite liking him as a fighter. So your theory is nothing but pure nonsense, to be honest.

It's not selective at all, quite the opposite actually. Canelo didn't lose Lara, Canelo didn't lose to GGG and Sanchez didn't beat a prime version of Azumah Nelson. Those are just facts of the matter.

Sanchez and Chavez are great fighters, no question about that. Sanchez didn't fulfil his potential due to what happened to him. But his resume is no where close to Canelo's. It's just not.

Well, Lara and ggg were robbed, and Sanchez did beat Azumah. Semantic. So I guess you have an opinion on the canelo vs benavidez issue, do you? Or you of the opinion that he can do whatever he wants? Even keeping the belts hostage?

[Roadblock]

What defines Greater, its a personal opinion and one of them is still boxing.

[just the facts]

Sanchez wins over Gomez and Nelson is better than anything canelo has done.

And his two wins over Little Red Lopez are at least on par.

[Malvado]

I don’t believe Canelo will ever be considered greater than Chavez or Salvador Sanchez.

Partly because of the era Canelo is in. Partly because they both had legendary performances (Taylor and Gomez) that Canelo imo will never have.

I am not Mexican but I would be interested to see if Mexicans have him ahead of Olivares and Zarate as well.

I think Canelo has achieved more than Zarate and Olivares, but he isn't that far ahead compared to both fighters.

Zarate most impressive feature of his record was his knockout streak, having wins over (66-4, 63 KOs), but he had:

-Beat Rodolfo Martinez (42-3-1), a champ who beat Rafael Herrera, an underrated fighter honestly, he had beaten a prime Ruben Olivares, Chucho Castillo and Martinez himself.

-Beat Alfonso Zamora (29-0, 29 KOs) who had defeated champs like Hong Soo-hwan and a ATG in Eusebio Pedroza.

-Beat Danilo Batista (26-0)

-Beat Alberto Davila (26-4) who beat Lupe Pintor.

-A controversial loss to Lupe Pintor by split decision, it is said that it was considered a robbery.

Very great wins, but not enough fights to cement him over Canelo.

Ruben Olivares (89-13-3, 79 KOs) had wins over.

Jose Medel (64-24-7) who had an inconsistent record having loss to random fighters and beat great fighters

ATG Lionel Rose (34-2) who had beaten the best Japanese fighter in Guts Fighting Harada, Jose Medel, Chucho Castillo, and etc.

Alan Rudkin (38-5)

Japanese Gold Medalist Takao Sakurai (25-1)

Bobby Chacon X2 (19-0) (26-1)

Jose Luis Ramirez (43-1)

Both obviously are top 10 fighters in their respective division (118-122), but honestly I rank Marquez, Barrera, and Morales higher. They also had achieved more than Salvador Sanchez, despite that I believe he is quite more skilled than the trio mentioned and having a lot of good wins for the short period he was around.

[Malvado]

And his two wins over Little Red Lopez are at least on par.

I think his win over Juan Laporte is not on par with Lopez, Nelson and Gomez, but it is a bit underrated. Laporte had stopped Rocky Lockridge in two rounds and had a controversial loss to Eusebio Pedroza, it was so close that Jose Saluiman tried to give him a match him with Salvador Sanchez for the WBC, but Sal had died to the car crash.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, Lara and ggg were robbed, and Sanchez did beat Azumah. Semantic.

Except they weren't robbed. So it's not semantics at all.

So I guess you have an opinion on the canelo vs benavidez issue, do you? Or you of the opinion that he can do whatever he wants? Even keeping the belts hostage?

You keep asserting this baseless narrative that doesn't exist.

I've been very clear that Canelo should be fighting Benavidez imminently and if he doesn't its a joke.

None of this changes the fact that Canelo's resume is far superior to Sanchez's. It's asinine to suggest otherwise.

[IronDanHamza]

And his two wins over Little Red Lopez are at least on par.

Honestly, what Planet are you guys on?

Canelo doesn't have any wins better than beating Danny Lopez? Are you for real?

[Malvado]

Honestly, what Planet are you guys on?

Canelo doesn't have any wins better than beating Danny Lopez? Are you for real?

He does, but most of Canelo's opponents aren't better than Danny Lopez. At least those he beat.

Guy was like the featherweight GGG, 42 wins with 39 KOs. (6 losses though), Sal stopped him twice.

Danny had beaten Mike Ayala, Chucho Castillo and Ruben Olivares. Definitely more accomplished than most champs Canelo has faced.