Comments Thread For: We All Want Canelo-Benavidez ... But Canelo Owes Us Nothing

[SUBZER0ED]

Sure, Canelo can fight who he wants to fight, but we don't have to watch that shit, and we don't have to buy it either.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I wonder how many people read the article or are just reading the headline and running to the keyboard.

There are snippets of truth in both the article AND SOME posters here, a lot is just hot air.

My stance hasn’t changed one much in the past year or so.

Here’s the BOTTOM LINE:

Does Benavidez deserve a shot at Canelo? Yes.

Would I like to see Canelo fight Benavidez? Yes.

Would I be mad if Canelo retired without facing Benavidez? No.

Is he going into the hall of fame? That’s in the bag long ago.

Would it hurt his legacy? I think Raskin hit the nail on the head to be honest. Canelo’s been fighting so long, and so much against so many big names that whatever credibility gets damaged is offset by the good credit he’s built in his illustrious career.

Those that have been watching boxing know that it doesn’t matter what challenges you take on and how much you to try to satiate naysayers, there will ALWAYS be a next guy. There is NOT a single fighter that has faced every single threat without someone coming out of the bushes and saying, “Umm, acTuALLy…”

I DO agree, however, that I think the organizations keeping Canelo high in the rankings are deserving of more criticism and not enforcing that fight so as to corner Canelo and force him to fight or get stripped.

I think Canelo still beats him, but I firmly believe if it happens, it’s September.

The American fighter he’s alluding to…it technically can be Benavidez. Cause Benavidez doesn’t have Mexican citizenship…Munguia does.

Fighting Jermall after the vomit-inducing performance by Jermell would be like getting slapped in the face with a 60 pound halibut.

Hmm. A fair-minded, rational opinion on BoxingScene. How unusual.

[garfios]

I am probably the biggest GGG fan on this entire site. I think GGG won the first two fights against Canelo, and agree that Canelo waited him out for the 3rd. Even so, he has consistently fought the highest level of competition of anyone in the sport. Inoue is great and is a future 1st ballot HOF fighter, but who has he fought that could be considered great? The one and only opponent that fits that description is Nonito Donaire and he was 37 yrs old in the first fight and almost 40 yrs old in the second fight. For a bantamweight (who age in dog years) that is roughly equivalent to fighting a 60 year old. Inoue has without a doubt fought the best competition available to him, but he's only fought 9 world champions so far along with several no-name "yildirim' types. He has more work to do before he eclipses Canelo.

Could you please name the greats canelo had fought, in their prime? Because calling the best resume now, it's not the same as a really good resume. Nowadays almost every world class fighter has a $h1tty resume.

[TheOneAboveAll]

This just shows me how little you understand boxing.

Davids strength is endurance and volume. Those are both Canelo's weaknesses, yet you think its a perfect style match up. Just amazing.

David is huge, Canelo is small. David is faster. He has power, and skill, is aggression yet durable, yet you think this sounds like a perfect match up for Canelo. Its actually a nightmare match up. He is a much bigger, faster and younger version of GGG basically.

Canelo will just be hitting his high guard with his predictable bombs, before he gasses by mid rounds and gets drowned with punches and stopped. Thinking just because David couldnt stop Plant he can't stop Canelo is so dumb. They are totally different style.

We have to wait 2-3 more fights? So another 2 years? Canelo just allowing PBC to age him out into his mid 30s? You really believe that nonsense? Canelo is ducking him, and agrees with everything I said.

These narratives are so ******. First David had to earn the fight, but then when he earns it he still has to wait a few more years to 'marinate' the fight? Christ the ******ity.

Canelo could not ask for a better style matchup. Big body, slow-footed, high-volume pressure fighter is the exact perfect opponent for Canelo. Let David come at Canelo the way he walked down guys like Andrade and Lemieux. Canelo is going to soften that skinny-fat body all-night long. It will be Canelo, not David, who is walking his man down and dropping him before the towel gets thrown.

[LAchargers373]

This just shows me how little you understand boxing.

Davids strength is endurance and volume. Those are both Canelo's weaknesses, yet you think its a perfect style match up. Just amazing.

David is huge, Canelo is small. David is faster. He has power, and skill, is aggression yet durable, yet you think this sounds like a perfect match up for Canelo. Its actually a nightmare match up. He is a much bigger, faster and younger version of GGG basically.

Canelo will just be hitting his high guard with his predictable bombs, before he gasses by mid rounds and gets drowned with punches and stopped. Thinking just because David couldnt stop Plant he can't stop Canelo is so dumb. They are totally different style.

We have to wait 2-3 more fights? So another 2 years? Canelo just allowing PBC to age him out into his mid 30s? You really believe that nonsense? Canelo is ducking him, and agrees with everything I said.

These narratives are so ******. First David had to earn the fight, but then when he earns it he still has to wait a few more years to 'marinate' the fight? Christ the ******ity.

lmao only an idiot like u thinks along those lines. How would waiting 2-3 years age benevidez out he’s 27? You are just a fan boy. I don’t even like canelo or think he’s some untouchable god but I do understand that professional sports are a business above all else. You don’t know any pro athletes personally. I don’t expect you to understand their mentality. Tards like you are literally too dumb I see it on this site everyday. Fury is ducking canelo is ducking spence was ducking the list goes on and on. Benevidez is 28 and his best win is Caleb plant. By the time canelo was 28 he’d already fought 3 possibly 4 future HOFamers. Canelo has fought champions at 5 different weight classes these are just facts. Canelo don’t owe the fans nothing. If you knew any pro athletes you would understand that they ALL feel that way. I have a very good friend who plays TE in the NFL and he told me a couple years ago how surprised I’d be at how little pro athletes care about fans and what they want. The fight will happen when it happens. And people should be happy when it does. Instead of whining and complaining all the time pull ur skirt up and be a man lol

[crimsonfalcon07]

I think you're trying to shift the conversation. My position is simple. A so-called "undisputed" champion should face the best challenger if he intends to hold belts and remain active in that division. I apply this universally across the board. Benavidez is TBRB #1 and WBC mandatory, I think he should be Canelo's next opponent.

Your view?

Wasn't necessarily talking to you.

I 100% agree that if he's going to stay in the division and hold the belts he needs to defend them against his mandatories. Same with Charlo, etc.

Morrell has the longest outstanding mandatory claim at more than 3 years (since Jan 2021). IBF I am not sure about, whether the GGG fight counted. Otherwise that hasn't been defended since Canelo beat Plant. WBC is next in line, having last been defended vs Yildirim. Morrell has been mandatory more than a year longer than Benavidez, despite the desperate claims of Canelo haters.

I've been plenty clear in past threads that I want Canelo to defend his belts against his mandatories, as per the mandatory rotation. And if he fights anyone else, he's ducking.

That being said, people are acting like he's being unique in his behavior, and he really isn't. Every champion, bar maybe two guys (both of whom are top 3 P4P), and possibly Bam Rodriguez, play these same games. And the guys who DO fight the best guys get all kinds of insane hate anyways. Nothing is going to satisfy NSB.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Could you please name the greats canelo had fought, in their prime?

Well, we'd have to first agree on which fighters he fought meet the standard of "great" at all. This is, of course, a largely subjective assessment, but most knowledgeable fans would regard Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather, Miguel Cotto and GGG as great fighters. Similarly, most knowledgeable fans would regard guys like Erislandy Lara, Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Sergiy Kovalev, BJ Saunders, Caleb Plant, Jermell Charlo, etc as elite champions. As I've noted, people can certainly find so-called asterisks in any fighter's resume if they are inclined to look for them. For example, Canelo detractors typically say Canelo played the system and fought out-of-prime legends like Floyd, Mosley and Cotto, because all of those guys were in their mid-30s when he fought them, but when was he supposed to fight them? When he was 15? All of those guys were 10+ years older than Canelo, BUT they were all reigning world champions and/or still competing at the highest levels when Canelo fought them.

The bottom line is that Canelo has beaten double the number of world champions as any other current fighter you could mention. As with most other great fighters, few, if any, of these champions were at the absoulute peak of their primes when Canelo faced them, but to peddle the narrative that this is due to Canelo manipulating the entire sport is just silly drivel. Overall, IMO, Floyd and GGG were the freshest of the "great" fighters who Canelo faced, but I can think of only two champions who he faced who were in any real decline when he fought them (GGG 3rd fight and Kovalev). Now let's examine the records of other 'greats' of the sport.

[garfios]

Well, we'd have to first agree on which fighters he fought meet the standard of "great" at all. This is, of course, a largely subjective assessment, but most knowledgeable fans would regard Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather, Miguel Cotto and GGG as great fighters. Similarly, most knowledgeable fans would regard guys like Erislandy Lara, Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Sergiy Kovalev, BJ Saunders, Caleb Plant, Jermell Charlo, etc as elite champions. As I've noted, people can certainly find so-called asterisks in any fighter's resume if they are inclined to look for them. For example, Canelo detractors typically say Canelo played the system and fought out-of-prime legends like Floyd, Mosley and Cotto, because all of those guys were in their mid-30s when he fought them, but when was he supposed to fight them? When he was 15? All of those guys were 10+ years older than Canelo, BUT they were all reigning world champions and/or still competing at the highest levels when Canelo fought them.

The bottom line is that Canelo has beaten double the number of world champions as any other current fighter you could mention. As with most other great fighters, few, if any, of these champions were at the absoulute peak of their primes when Canelo faced them, but to peddle the narrative that this is due to Canelo manipulating the entire sport is just silly drivel. Overall, IMO, Floyd and GGG were the freshest of the "great" fighters who Canelo faced, but I can think of only two champions who he faced who were in any real decline when he fought them (GGG 3rd fight and Kovalev). Now let's examine the records of other 'greats' of the sport.

It's simple, was those greats you mentioned were in their prime or close to it, when ginger fought them? He even lost to a 36 yo Mayweather and cotto gave as good as he took. Ggg was past his prime and still won the fight. Lara won the fight too and canelo never look his way ever again, bivol is an elite boxer same canelo's age, he lost that one too, Mosley was shot and past his prime too. Kovalev was drunk and shot to pieces. So it's not complicated at all to debunk the myth. This is what he got, good looks, comes from a boxing country, sturdy chin and a good boxer, a heck of a team behind him, dlh put all his push behind it, he learned the business part of the boxing game, but he's nothing like he claims to be, nor what his fans think of him.

[dan-b]

Morrell has been mandatory more than a year longer than Benavidez, despite the desperate claims of Canelo haters.

I don't think that's technically true. He acquired the WBA 'regular' belt on 27/06/2021 but that's not synonymous with becoming mandatory. Do you remember the conversation you and I had here about the WBA two tier system?

Clearly the WBA have been ordering more consolidation bouts and now have only three 'regular' belt holders (of which Morrell is one) but they've not actually ordered the mandatory yet.

[TheOneAboveAll]

It's simple, was those greats you mentioned were in their prime or close to it, when ginger fought them? He even lost to a 36 yo Mayweather and cotto gave as good as he took. Ggg was past his prime and still won the fight. Lara won the fight too and canelo never look his way ever again, bivol is an elite boxer same canelo's age, he lost that one too, Mosley was shot and past his prime too. Kovalev was drunk and shot to pieces. So it's not complicated at all to debunk the myth. This is what he got, good looks, comes from a boxing country, sturdy chin and a good boxer, a heck of a team behind him, dlh put all his push behind it, he learned the business part of the boxing game, but he's nothing like he claims to be, nor what his fans think of him.

Ok, I've already acknowledged the standard Canelo criticisms. You seem genuinely oblivious to your own bias, as I suppose most people are. Yes, Canelo lost to a 36 year old Mayweather (when he was 23); the same guy who casually UD'd Manny Pacquiao two years later. Yes, he should have lost to GGG in those first two fights. The same GGG who had leveled every other opponent and carried a division recored 20 defenses up to that point. Yes he fought an old Shane Mosley (when he was 21). The same old Shane Mosley who Floyd finally got around to fighting at 37 years old. Yes, he lost wide to Dmitry Bivol, but was that because Bivol was an equally elite but much bigger natural LHW, or was it because Canelo is a fraud? If its the latter, then did Canelo wipe the floor with guys like Amir Khan and Jermell Charlo because he was simply better or because he was a cherry-picking weight bully? As far as Erislandy Lara goes, hell no did he win. Like Jamaine Ortiz, Lara tried to stink out the joint with Cuban keep away boxing and deservedly got sent home with a loss.

As I've noted multiple times now, if you're inclined to find asterisks in a fighter's career you will find them. With that in mind, let's just agree that Canelo is the greatest 'fabrication' since Floyd Mayweather.