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  • #31
    Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

    Glad you admit I am right.

    As for the second Usyk fight, he definitely fought a better fight. The result was correct, but the difference between the two was narrower. I saw differences, even if you didn't.

    Regardless, the crux of what you have been saying is evidently false. Switching McCracken for Garcia, then Derrick James, then Davison is hardly the actions of someone who does not believe there is a need for change.

    Anyone with eyes can see Joshua does not fight the same now as he did a while back. And anything that is not the same is, by definition, change.
    You see a difference (while it's a degradation) - your problem. "Anyone with eyes" is the other way to say "I know but you don't" when you can't prove what you claim.​

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    • #32
      Originally posted by fifth_root View Post

      You see a difference (while it's a degradation) - your problem. "Anyone with eyes" is the other way to say "I know but you don't" when you can't prove what you claim.​
      The two Usyk fights are hard to compare. Joshua did obviously go in with a different game plan but Usyk did what Usyk does and adjusted.

      The problem was the second Ruiz fight, he won it though boxing and moving to protect his chin. It made him think he was a stick and move fighter and negated his strengths. Ben Davison refining his original form is definitely the way forward.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
        This comment, that I've heard before from AJ about Ben, feels like more of diss to Robert & Derrick than hyping Ben.

        And just logically it doesn't make a lot of sense to switch a guy up this late in his career. So I see why AJ talks about this like he does. AJ reached the top spot with all his flaws already. You don't gotta reinvent the wheel to get him back there & idek if you got the time to reinvent the wheel for AJ this late in his story.
        Exactly.

        When AJ lost to Ruiz it was due to a ****** tactical mistake.

        All that needed to be learned from that was don't rush in and recklessly start exchanging with a short guy with fast hands.

        Like that's it, one lesson.

        But no they tried to change everything that worked about him before.

        Ben has the right idea.

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        • #34
          Is there any trainer that can make one's jaw stronger and better? Definitely not Ben Davison...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Butt stuff View Post

            The two Usyk fights are hard to compare. Joshua did obviously go in with a different game plan but Usyk did what Usyk does and adjusted.

            The problem was the second Ruiz fight, he won it though boxing and moving to protect his chin. It made him think he was a stick and move fighter and negated his strengths. Ben Davison refining his original form is definitely the way forward.
            If Ben can refine it, or as I said - if AJ has the necessary to profit from Ben. I don't think he does. AJ realized it is hard for him to be outboxing fighter, his game is more aggression and power, but there he is vulnerable and that seems to scare him. So now he is stuck between both which is not a change, but a fading.
            Last edited by N/A; 01-27-2024, 10:49 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by fifth_root View Post

              You see a difference (while it's a degradation) - your problem. "Anyone with eyes" is the other way to say "I know but you don't" when you can't prove what you claim.​
              No, it's a way of saying it's self-evident or easily perceptible. Many, many people have commented on his change in style/approach post-Ruiz I and the difference between Ruiz I and Ruiz II was night and day.

              Joshua became far less cavalier in his approach to attack. Clearly, he changed. Your attempt to talk about degradation is sophistry.
              Last edited by Monty Fisto; 01-27-2024, 02:35 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

                No, it's a way of saying it's self-evident or easily perceptible. Many, many people have commented on his change in style/approach post-Ruiz I and the difference between Ruiz I and Ruiz II was night and day.

                Joshua became far less cavalier in his approach to attack. Clearly, he changed. Your attempt to talk about degradation is sophistry.
                I see - your vision of AJ comes from "many many people" (which I explained to you how worthless it is) and your head being in AJ's... But he simply degraded out of fear and tried to do something he isn't capable of.

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                • #38
                  Joshua is the person who changes his style, by hopping around from trainer to trainer. Same with cryin' Ryan. These guys are boxing whores

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Oshio View Post
                    Is there any trainer that can make one's jaw stronger and better? Definitely not Ben Davison...
                    You can get away with a less than stellar chin in boxing if you have the power to knock anyone the **** out with one punch. That tends to make people worry about their own chins more.

                    Joshua needs to get back to being the hammer in his fights, he's too cautious and over thinks things right now, I'm seeing positive changes under Davidson but Wallin wasn't enough of a test.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Atypicalbrit View Post

                      You can get away with a less than stellar chin in boxing if you have the power to knock anyone the **** out with one punch. That tends to make people worry about their own chins more.

                      Joshua needs to get back to being the hammer in his fights, he's too cautious and over thinks things right now, I'm seeing positive changes under Davidson but Wallin wasn't enough of a test.
                      Who in your opinion has a better chin amongst the HW?

                      It use to be Joyce for me but after Zhang I don't know anymore.

                      Fury?

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