Is Mike Tyson the only fighter ever who's Prime ended in his early 20s?

[famicommander]

Tyson was too busy being an alcoholic serial rapist to do things like train, eat well, sleep, or study his opponents.

[786]

Neither Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali 'Actually reached their natural peak'.

They were both taken off track from their natural peak 'Mike Tyson's natural peak, was not in the mid-1980's'.

Note: I also believe that Tyson Fury never really reached his natural peak, Fury may have got a bit closer to his natural peak than Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali 'But he still left the game just as he was coming into his peak'.

If Fury would of followed through with his rematch vs Wladimir Kiltschko 'We all would of seen more what, The Riddler Fury was capable of'.

Anthony Joshua actually beat a better more well prepared Wladimir Kiltschko than Tyson Fury 'Kiltschko had to endure three back to back training camps, before fighting Joshua. Because Tyson Fury kept on pulling out of their scheduled rematch'.

I have never believed that the tactics, which Tyson Fury used in his first fight vs Kiltschko 'Would of worked in their rematch'.

Fury's win vs Kiltschko was a great win in terms of historical magnitude 'But overrated in terms of the actual action'.

Kiltschko was not best prepared for that fight, and had plenty of issues leading up to the fight.

Overall all this talk of primes and peaks 'Great fighters do not rely on their peaks to dominate, or achieve in the game. And this trait is displayed with all great athletes in many different sports'.

Mike Tyson still won fights outside of his peak, Mike Tyson still become a two time world Champion outside of his peak. Muhammad Ali still won fights outside of his peak, Muhammad Ali still regained the Undisputed Heavyweight titles outside of his peak.

Floyd Mayweather Junior, Bernard Hopkins, Wladimir Kiltschko, Larry Holmes, Canelo Alvarez,'They have all won big fights, and won titles outside of their so called natural peak'.

A fighter like Anthony Joshua, technically is most likely still improving his game 'His understanding of the action, his ability to read a fight. Things that come more natural to a fighter like Fury. But in other area's, Joshua is most likely not improving'.

I believe it was Lennox Lewis who stated 'Great fighters don't have a peak' etc.

I always thought the same and think Fury knew it too which is probably why he found a way out of the rematch.

[BKM-]

It's kind of incredible to me that his prime seemed to be from about 16-22 and then he was finished as a fighter.

Anyone else who peaked that young?

It's incredible to be that you're dumb enough to believe he was 'finished as a fighter' after age 22.


Why do I do this to myself? Why do I come into this section to be met with this kind of ******ity every time?

[Atypicalbrit]

I always thought the same and think Fury knew it too which is probably why he found a way out of the rematch.

Fury doesn't only have one style in his arsenal though, THAT'S WLAD.

Fury played cat and mouse from the outside in the first fight.

In the rematch he could have decided to come forward and maul klitschko.

Klitschko gets looked back at through Rose tinted glasses, he dominated his career against smaller, slower, out of shape heavyweights using his reach, athletic advantages and size. Not to mention 2 inches of foam under the canvas which only he trained on.

Against Fury he has none of those advantages, if klitschko couldn't get his jab going he was way, WAY less effective.

The only thing Wlad is better at than fury is power in the straight right hand, and behaving like a professional.

Fury is the more naturally talented, bigger, intelligent, adaptive and natural fighter than Klitschko.

Fury beats klitschko 8/10 times.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fury doesn't only have one style in his arsenal though, THAT'S WLAD.

Fury played cat and mouse from the outside in the first fight.

In the rematch he could have decided to come forward and maul klitschko.

Klitschko gets looked back at through Rose tinted glasses, he dominated his career against smaller, slower, out of shape heavyweights using his reach, athletic advantages and size. Not to mention 2 inches of foam under the canvas which only he trained on.

Against Fury he has none of those advantages, if klitschko couldn't get his jab going he was way, WAY less effective.

The only thing Wlad is better at than fury is power in the straight right hand, and behaving like a professional.

Fury is the more naturally talented, bigger, intelligent, adaptive and natural fighter than Klitschko.

Fury beats klitschko 8/10 times.

Fury was weighing in at 246 to 248 pounds vs Wladimir Kiltschko.

Fury typically has never bulled forwards against Super Heavyweights.

Where do you get this notion, that suddenly Fury was going to bull forward vs a 240 to 245 pound Wladimir Kiltschko 'Who was a more proven power puncher than Wilder, and more technically skilled?'.

Fury fought on his back foot vs Kiltschko, Chisora II & III, Whyte 'And he has just fought on the back foot vs Ngannou'. Why is Fury not bulling forward vs those fighters? I will tell you why in the rest of my post.

When Fury has decided to move forward vs other Super Heavyweights since Kiltschko, it really has not gone so well 'Wallin busted him up real good, and pushed him over 12 rounds, the first Chisora fight was not easy, Mcderrmott I was also a controversial win'.

Fury has only ever really had great success while moving forward aggressively, against fighters who he has out weighed by 30 to 40 pounds i.e Steve USS Cunningham and Deontay Wilder.

You are correct mate, Fury does not just have one style 'But his offensive style, has not been as destructive and effective as you are trying to make out'.

Wladimir Kiltschko has fought more styles and in more stylistically challenging match ups than Tyson Fury to date 'So I don't quite agree on your last statement'.

Like I said in my first post on this thread 'We never really saw what a peak Fury, was capable of'.

Fury has not really be as tested thoroughly as Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Kiltschko 'We have not seen Fury fight at top level consistently against many different styles'.

Tyson Fury has not actually skill for skill fought at elite level since Wladimir Kiltschko 'When and if Fury fights Usyk, that will be the first time in 8-9 years that he has actually fought at elite level skill for skill since the Kiltschko fight. Wilder was a elite level challenge, but in terms of technical skill? No boxing purist can rate Wilder as a elite level boxer'.

Note: So I do believe that Fury just like Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, did not quite reach his natural peak he unfortunately was taken off that natural course. 'But I believe that his fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko, that version of Fury was potentially the closest Fury has got to his peak. That version of Fury, really was not tested we did not really see what Fury was capable of'.

What I am saying is? If Fury would of followed through with that rematch 'I think we would of got a better idea of what a peak Fury, was capable of'. Tyson Fury when you really analyse his career, and all the fights he has fought. There are still a lot of unknowns regarding Fury's ability, due to him not really fighting consistently at World or Elite level throughout his career.

Regardless great fighters, I don' think obsess over peaks 'They find a way how to win'. This obsession with peaks, I think is very cliche 'We all get it, Athletes have peaks. But great athletes still somehow find a way to win'.

In all sports, this seems to be a hallmark trait of all-time great athletes 'They seem to have a more innate ability, of being able to still win or being among the very best in their sports even while outside of their natural peak'.

Is Beterbiev at his absolute natural peak now? Probably not, but he is still finding a way to win 'Against fighters very close to their peaks, or at their absolute peak' etc.

[Madison Boxing]

Such a dumb post

Yeah he never peaked because he never lived the lifestyle

I've seen many talented boxers start good then get into women and partying and never get to what they could be


Tyson was disciplined early on and went wayward

He was on track to being one of the greatest fighters that ever lived but lifestyle choices altered that course

How is it dumb? Is dumb imo to say he was on track to be one of the greatest ever when he never proved it, you could use that logic with many undefeated fighters and say their prime was before they lost, maybe spence was going to be the greatest of all time if he trained harder and didnt crash a car? Also not as if tyson is the only heavyweight not to live the boxing lifestyle look at tyson fury lol... just always a whole load of bull**** regarding the myth of tyson and when fighters stopped buying into it he started losing

[QueensburyRules]

It's kind of incredible to me that his prime seemed to be from about 16-22 and then he was finished as a fighter.

Anyone else who peaked that young?

- - Mike a goofster kid age 16 like U.

he wasn’t finished…Duh!!!

[Teetotaler69]

Ray Mancini is in the HOF & never won a fight past the age of 22.

Probably got in for killing that guy lol

[4truth]

Mando Ramos had a similar trajectory back in the 70's. I watched his career as a kid and met him years later. A good story but he died too soon

https://www.dailybreeze.com/2022/02/...ndo-ramos/amp/

[Stuntman Mike]

How is it dumb? Is dumb imo to say he was on track to be one of the greatest ever when he never proved it, you could use that logic with many undefeated fighters and say their prime was before they lost, maybe spence was going to be the greatest of all time if he trained harder and didnt crash a car? Also not as if tyson is the only heavyweight not to live the boxing lifestyle look at tyson fury lol... just always a whole load of bull**** regarding the myth of tyson and when fighters stopped buying into it he started losing

Fury would never be capable of blasting out michael spinks in a round or trevor berbick in two


Mike tysons potential was obvious and if you disagree with that then you are dumb my friend