Comments Thread For: Joseph Parker Trainer on Wilder: The Minute You Have a Momentary Lapse, He'll Pounce

[ELPacman]

Wilder showed up for that fight mate 'Wilder was being Wilder'.

Like I just said before? If Wilder does not **** out his opponent, or stop them in their tracks.

Then thus-far in his career, he has shown he will most likely be out boxed and drop rounds 'Fighters can still out box Wilder, while being apprehensive of his power'.

This notion that Fury is the only fighter who has the ability to beat Wilder 'Due to the combination of durability and boxing ability is also not quite a conclusion fact in my opinion'.

I have a long time ago, made the statement that 'Joshua can beat Wilder more impressively, and efficiently than Fury'.

Fury was decked and battered by Wilder, because he is a innately extremely clumsy fighter 'Fury's entire career, has been a collection of technical calamity. There is very rarely a fight with Tyson Fury, were he does not have momentarily lapses of complete technically calamity'.

Fury is very similar to Amir Khan in that regards i.e Fury can boxed greatly, then just for no apparent reason 'Malfunction or go way off track'.

Peter Fury was the trainer who refined this area of Fury's game etc.

I was just thinking the difference between Wilder vs Ortiz 1 where he was a lot more aggressive and Wilder against Ortiz 2 where he was comfortably letting Ortiz outbox him. Who knows, maybe it was intentional because he knew he just needed to land one clean shot.

I also don't think Fury is the only fighter with the ability to beat Wilder, but he's been the only one to show it thus far. That has to count for something. Especially that he went down and got back up a few times.

If AJ can prevent being dropped, he does have better technicality than Wilder. I'm just not sure he can go 12 rds without Wilder landing at least 1 clean punch and depending how he reacts would probably determine the outcome of the match. I'd imagine Wilder wouldn't be winning on points vs AJ.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I was just thinking the difference between Wilder vs Ortiz 1 where he was a lot more aggressive and Wilder against Ortiz 2 where he was comfortably letting Ortiz outbox him. Who knows, maybe it was intentional because he knew he just needed to land one clean shot.

I also don't think Fury is the only fighter with the ability to beat Wilder, but he's been the only one to show it thus far. That has to count for something. Especially that he went down and got back up a few times.

If AJ can prevent being dropped, he does have better technicality than Wilder. I'm just not sure he can go 12 rds without Wilder landing at least 1 clean punch and depending how he reacts would probably determine the outcome of the match. I'd imagine Wilder wouldn't be winning on points vs AJ.

Yes Tyson Fury is the only fighter in the professional ranks to beat Wilder 'And that does count for something, I will not deny this'.

Fury performances vs Wilder were not really technically great fights 'They were great fights in terms if what Fury had to overcome in terms of jeopardy. The courage, and ability that Fury displayed at not accepting to status quo at that time was elite'.

Muhammad Ali was in a similar situation when he fought George Foreman 'In mass people all agreed that, whatever Foreman hits? He destroys. Muhammad Ali did not agree with this, and fought in a manner which complete dismantled the mass belief of what certain folk had'.

Muhammad Ali had to create this alter eventually from his own belief 'Fury was the same vs Deontay Wilder'.

Note: Anthony Joshua is a a more technically sound fundamentally correct fighter than Tyson Fury 'Wilder would most likely have a more difficult time landing on Joshua than Fury in my opinion'. Wilder will most likely at some point land power punches, but in my opinion? Not because of Joshua being clumsy or making unforced errors like Fury was vs Wilder especially in the third fight' etc.

[Boro]

I rate Wilder for what he is good at, but? There is a lot of his game were he is not so good.

Parker in my opinion, put together a really good game plan and executed it very well vs Joe Joyce 'You cannot sit here, and go on as if? Parker under performed in that fight'.

On that specific night, Joe Joyce may of very well pushed many of today's current Heavyweights to the brink.

For all what you are saying about Parker, I will still keep saying it? Parker has no bad performances 'Point them out to me'.

Parker has not performances were he has been blasted out, or looked completely lost vs any opponent.

Note: I could just come up in here, and say something really cliche such as 'Wilder is going to knock out Parker in 1 round, blah blah yada yada'.

But this is not how I personally operate, when analyzing a fight 'When I am interested in a fight, I will like to then? Go through scenarios, simulations, eventualities. And I will just play it out'.

I have detected a scenario, a eventuality 'That could potentially play out in this fight. The evidence is there'.

And the evidence is strong enough, for me to say 'Right, the likely hood is that Wilder will win. And I will kind of back him to win'..

But I would not describe that decision as 100% etc.

If he didn't underperform he wouldn've won, Joyce is mediocre, I personally thought if Parker could get it together for once he'd beat and expose Joyce for what he is.

If you want to say looking mediocre is "not a bad performance" then fine that's your threshold but it certainly isn't mine.

And I also suspect Wilder will win, what exactly are you telling me this for!? it's pretty apparent he will, Parker just doesn't deliver when it matters that now has become the expectation of him.

BUT Parker could pull off the "upset" if the stars align and he actually pulls out what everyone knows he's capable of.

[Tony Green]

It's a mental thing, he just doesn't have the dog in him. He's just a nice Christian lad from Auckland.

He's a meth dealer that's heavily connected with the NZ underworld, come on lad, the Christian thing is a front, it mainly is that for all pacific islander criminals living in Aus and nz

[slimPickings]

Deontay Wilder = Clear and present danger. Parker has his work cut out for him no matter how you analyze, dissect this fight or how flawed you think Wilder is. He is a former Olympian with pedigree. The man knows how to fight and has that God GIVEN power that separates fighters from their senses even when he hits with with a glancing shot. I hope Parker is getting paid good money for this and some more!!!

[sege64]

Unlike Boro, I rate Wilder as the worst professional boxer I've ever seen. He's absolutely terrible. I think this fight might surprise a lot of people that just think his power is always going to win it for him. Perker is decent. Not great, but decent, and has been improving all the time with Andy Lee. As long as he is not fighting scared and goes in their believing he can do it I think he sleeping glass chin wilder, probably mid rounds.

However....if wilder lands a peachy straight right then anything could happen, as has always been the case, and always will be no matter who he's fighting. You just need to take him out before that happens, which I believe is actually a lot easier than people think after powder puff punching Fury made such a meal of it across three fights.

[joe strong]

Yes there was not many people, I personally? Specifically kept on referring to a post fight interview I saw with Joyce 'And mate he was clearly damaged'.

When everyone within the boxing community 'Were all getting carried away with Joyce's performance, I continually remarked that it was not a easy fight vs Parker. And from that fight, I never backed Joyce 100% to beat Zhang'.

How Joyce came across after his fight with Parker in the interview which I am referring to. Was similar to Holyfield after he fought Lennox Lewis I 'Joyce was whacked up in the fight, by a solid Heavy weight puncher in Parker'.

That was the game plan, which Parker used 'A more aggressive game plan, than usual'.

I do recall certain folk 'Slightly disagreeing with his conditioning'.

Note: Wilder has never fought a power puncher like Parker in my opinion 'Fury does not hit with the level of power as Parker'. Fury is also not a great combination puncher technically, Parker, Joshua, Ruiz Junior? Those fighters are when the commit the best combination punchers at Heavyweight.

Another factor people are over looking in this fight is? Parker is in terms of brute strength, a solid Heavyweight 'He has the game to potentially beat Wilder'.

Note: I honestly believe that Wilder, is understanding that this fight has big jeopardy 'Wilder is under big pressure, all the fighters are'.

But I will specifically highlight Wilder because? Behind all of his intimidation tactics, all the talk 'Wilder knows his game is almost completely reliant on his power'.

Also Malik Scott vs Andy Lee 'Although I do think Scott is a good trainer thus-far. But like most of the Fury's 'They all read a fight very well. From the interviews I have seen with Andy Lee, he has read this Parker vs Wilder fight very well from my perspective'.

Parker will be given the right game plan, it will be up to him on fight night 'To carry it out' etc.

I think Stiverne has good power but he was another take 2 to land one big counterpunch type of fighter. It worked against Arreola twice but it didn’t work against Wilder in the first fight. That was actually the best boxing performance Wilder ever had. He beat the stuffing out of Stiverne. He hospitalized him & Stiverne’s punch resistance was never the same.

Going back to the Parker/Joyce fight… So were the Zhang wins so decisive because of his skill & power or was it because of the continuous clean bombs Parker landed in the their fight? Joyce is 38 & you can only block punches with your face for so long. We will see the next time Joyce steps in with a contender & I want to see Zhang in with another contender. Zhang looked good against Hrgovic & Joyce. He did drop both of them but was it a shopworn Joyce? Is Hrgovic’s chin really that good? Prior to Zhang he never fought anyone with a pulse. Molina cracked him a few times. I really want to see Zhang & Joyce back in the ring with other legit top 15 contenders.

[BlackRobb]

Wilder KO
Joshua KO
Hope Miller gets KO'd
Bivol KO

Big Baby will intimidate and crush DD.

[Cyborg Fangerloo]

The Hawk already laid out the five major defects that will get Parker's head caved in. In response, none of these boxing expert jabronis had anything to say.

1.) Parker cross steps in retreat

2). Parker keeps his lead hand at his waist

3.) Parker's jab at mid range is inaccurate, weak, and exposes his vulnerable left

4.) Parker's left can only be covered with his right hand because his left hand is too low


The Hawk would like to take this opportunity to point out two things:

1.) No jabroni here has given an actual skill assessment that it true for the fighter regardless of who they've fought and only speak to this potential match ups in terms of during X fight against Y fighter Z tactic was performed to a degree judged by the author. The Hawk wishes to be clear about this situation; they speak in these terms because they lack the ability to give a keys to victory and they lack that ability because they're not actually as well versed in boxing as they like to pretend. They learned the lingo and started thinking they understand the sport The Hawk pities such jabroni behavior, they can all eat a hoagie, have a nosh.

2.) Nothing said from any of these vague jabroni experts detracts from the points The Hawk has made and had already made prior.


Knowing The Hawk's thread was ducked

Seeing the quality of assessment here

Realizing there is nothing to counter The Hawk's assessment

The Hawk must assume all posters who wanted to tell the forum all about how much trouble Wilder is in, must have the tiniest of pee-pees.




Hawkster would like to leave you with one final thought to dwell on:

Tell your moms to stop calling me. One night got that ***** calling for the rest of her life. The Hawk has work to do, jack.


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[MulaKO]

I am concerned about you

Hey , he’s gonna fake ‘till he makes it
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