Comments Thread For: Joseph Parker Trainer on Wilder: The Minute You Have a Momentary Lapse, He'll Pounce

[pollywog]

Wilders getting dropped faster than Britney drops her panties.

[ELPacman]

Parker has no bad performances mate.

Yes he has performances were, he could of left more inside the ring.

But come on, Parker is not a technically all over the place fighter 'Like Wilder'.

Parker has good technique, solid power and durability.

Parker's performance vs Joyce, was one of his best ever 'Nobody who is honest, can criticize his performance there against Joyce at his absolute peak'.

Parker theoretically has effectively damaged Joyce in that fight 'I was one if not the only individual to point this out'.

Note: People need to stop ****ing on about Wilder, as if he is some sort of great conundrum 'Heavyweights know how to fight Wilder, boxing coaches all around the world know what type of game plans to devise for Wilder. Most solid level Heavyweight fighters can all out box Deontay Wilder, and they will take rounds off him'.

Therefore yes it is extremely difficult, but if Parker can survive Wilder's power 'And just get through the rounds, the likely-hood is that Parker will be right in the fight'.

If Deontay Wilder does not badly hurt his opponents, 99.99% of the time 'He is then in major trouble in all of his fights. In trouble of losing rounds, and being out boxed'.

I rate Wilder extremely highly, within this era of Heavyweights 'But he has one trick, his whole game is reliant on him ****ing out his opponent. And for this he needs his opponent to be petrified'.

Wilder will most likely win the fight vs Parker, but do not be surprised if it turns out 'To be a very difficult fight for Wilder' etc.

Not necessarily. Ortiz was completely comfortable out boxing Wilder for 7 rds. In fact, Wilder didn't even look like he showed up that night. Then it took one second for Ortiz to get too relaxed and Wilder slipped in the game changing punch. He literally erased all the work Ortiz put in where he was sweeping him on the cards.

That said, I think you need to possess two things to take Wilder out. One being aggressive, but with enough defense/chin to at least handle when a punch slips in (Fury). AND aggressive enough to put on your own damage onto him (Fury).

I think Fury handled these two as good as anyone could. He did get dropped himself a few times in the process within the 3 fights, but obviously had the better outcome, because he was able to give out more than he took from Wilder and it was Wilder who folded.

I'm also curious about a lighter weight Wilder though. It appears his best performances have been when he weighed in rather light (215lbs). When he's ballooned up to around 245lbs, he looks slower, sluggish and gets tired sooner (Fury fights).

[joe strong]

Parker has no bad performances mate.

Yes he has performances were, he could of left more inside the ring.

But come on, Parker is not a technically all over the place fighter 'Like Wilder'.

Parker has good technique, solid power and durability.

Parker's performance vs Joyce, was one of his best ever 'Nobody who is honest, can criticize his performance there against Joyce at his absolute peak'.

Parker theoretically has effectively damaged Joyce in that fight 'I was one if not the only individual to point this out'.

Note: People need to stop ****ing on about Wilder, as if he is some sort of great conundrum 'Heavyweights know how to fight Wilder, boxing coaches all around the world know what type of game plans to devise for Wilder. Most solid level Heavyweight fighters can all out box Deontay Wilder, and they will take rounds off him'.

Therefore yes it is extremely difficult, but if Parker can survive Wilder's power 'And just get through the rounds, the likely-hood is that Parker will be right in the fight'.

If Deontay Wilder does not badly hurt his opponents, 99.99% of the time 'He is then in major trouble in all of his fights. In trouble of losing rounds, and being out boxed'.

I rate Wilder extremely highly, within this era of Heavyweights 'But he has one trick, his whole game is reliant on him ****ing out his opponent. And for this he needs his opponent to be petrified'.

Wilder will most likely win the fight vs Parker, but do not be surprised if it turns out 'To be a very difficult fight for Wilder' etc.

Actually I & a few others pointed out Parker was the guy who actually cracked Joyce’s jaw even though he didn’t drop him. He weakened Joyce’s punch resistance. He landed bombs all night & hit him with everything but the kitchen sink. So were the Zhang wins so decisive because of his skill & power or was it because of the continuous clean bombs Parker landed in the their fight? Joyce is 38 & you can only block punches with your face for so long. We will see the next time Joyce steps in with a contender & I want to see Zhang in with another contender. I also thought Parker could have been in better shape. He looked softer than usual.

[joe strong]

Not necessarily. Ortiz was completely comfortable out boxing Wilder for 7 rds. In fact, Wilder didn't even look like he showed up that night. Then it took one second for Ortiz to get too relaxed and Wilder slipped in the game changing punch. He literally erased all the work Ortiz put in where he was sweeping him on the cards.

That said, I think you need to possess two things to take Wilder out. One being aggressive, but with enough defense/chin to at least handle when a punch slips in (Fury). AND aggressive enough to put on your own damage onto him (Fury).

I think Fury handled these two as good as anyone could. He did get dropped himself a few times in the process within the 3 fights, but obviously had the better outcome, because he was able to give out more than he took from Wilder and it was Wilder who folded.

I'm also curious about a lighter weight Wilder though. It appears his best performances have been when he weighed in rather light (215lbs). When he's ballooned up to around 245lbs, he looks slower, sluggish and gets tired sooner (Fury fights).

Wilder is best at 212-215… He was 212 for the first Fury fight. In the 230s for fights 2 & 3. Helenius he was in the 212-215 range I believe. The lighter Wilder needs to show up for Parker. Those thin legs can’t hold the weight. I’m leaning towards Wilder catching Parker with a fight changing right at some point.

[Marchegiano]

The Hawk already laid out the five major defects that will get Parker's head caved in. In response, none of these boxing expert jabronis had anything to say.

1.) Parker cross steps in retreat

2). Parker keeps his lead hand at his waist

3.) Parker's jab at mid range is inaccurate, weak, and exposes his vulnerable left

4.) Parker's left can only be covered with his right hand because his left hand is too low


The Hawk would like to take this opportunity to point out two things:

1.) No jabroni here has given an actual skill assessment that it true for the fighter regardless of who they've fought and only speak to this potential match ups in terms of during X fight against Y fighter Z tactic was performed to a degree judged by the author. The Hawk wishes to be clear about this situation; they speak in these terms because they lack the ability to give a keys to victory and they lack that ability because they're not actually as well versed in boxing as they like to pretend. They learned the lingo and started thinking they understand the sport The Hawk pities such jabroni behavior, they can all eat a hoagie, have a nosh.

2.) Nothing said from any of these vague jabroni experts detracts from the points The Hawk has made and had already made prior.


Knowing The Hawk's thread was ducked

Seeing the quality of assessment here

Realizing there is nothing to counter The Hawk's assessment

The Hawk must assume all posters who wanted to tell the forum all about how much trouble Wilder is in, must have the tiniest of pee-pees.




Hawkster would like to leave you with one final thought to dwell on:

Tell your moms to stop calling me. One night got that ***** calling for the rest of her life. The Hawk has work to do, jack.


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[PRINCEKOOL]

Actually I & a few others pointed out Parker was the guy who actually cracked Joyce’s jaw even though he didn’t drop him. He weakened Joyce’s punch resistance. He landed bombs all night & hit him with everything but the kitchen sink. I also thought Parker could have been in better shape. He looked softer than usual.

Yes there was not many people, I personally? Specifically kept on referring to a post fight interview I saw with Joyce 'And mate he was clearly damaged'.

When everyone within the boxing community 'Were all getting carried away with Joyce's performance, I continually remarked that it was not a easy fight vs Parker. And from that fight, I never backed Joyce 100% to beat Zhang'.

How Joyce came across after his fight with Parker in the interview which I am referring to. Was similar to Holyfield after he fought Lennox Lewis I 'Joyce was whacked up in the fight, by a solid Heavy weight puncher in Parker'.

That was the game plan, which Parker used 'A more aggressive game plan, than usual'.

I do recall certain folk 'Slightly disagreeing with his conditioning'.

Note: Wilder has never fought a power puncher like Parker in my opinion 'Fury does not hit with the level of power as Parker'. Fury is also not a great combination puncher technically, Parker, Joshua, Ruiz Junior? Those fighters are when the commit the best combination punchers at Heavyweight.

Another factor people are over looking in this fight is? Parker is in terms of brute strength, a solid Heavyweight 'He has the game to potentially beat Wilder'.

Note: I honestly believe that Wilder, is understanding that this fight has big jeopardy 'Wilder is under big pressure, all the fighters are'.

But I will specifically highlight Wilder because? Behind all of his intimidation tactics, all the talk 'Wilder knows his game is almost completely reliant on his power'.

Also Malik Scott vs Andy Lee 'Although I do think Scott is a good trainer thus-far. But like most of the Fury's 'They all read a fight very well. From the interviews I have seen with Andy Lee, he has read this Parker vs Wilder fight very well from my perspective'.

Parker will be given the right game plan, it will be up to him on fight night 'To carry it out' etc.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Not necessarily. Ortiz was completely comfortable out boxing Wilder for 7 rds. In fact, Wilder didn't even look like he showed up that night. Then it took one second for Ortiz to get too relaxed and Wilder slipped in the game changing punch. He literally erased all the work Ortiz put in where he was sweeping him on the cards.

That said, I think you need to possess two things to take Wilder out. One being aggressive, but with enough defense/chin to at least handle when a punch slips in (Fury). AND aggressive enough to put on your own damage onto him (Fury).

I think Fury handled these two as good as anyone could. He did get dropped himself a few times in the process within the 3 fights, but obviously had the better outcome, because he was able to give out more than he took from Wilder and it was Wilder who folded.

I'm also curious about a lighter weight Wilder though. It appears his best performances have been when he weighed in rather light (215lbs). When he's ballooned up to around 245lbs, he looks slower, sluggish and gets tired sooner (Fury fights).

Wilder showed up for that fight mate 'Wilder was being Wilder'.

Like I just said before? If Wilder does not **** out his opponent, or stop them in their tracks.

Then thus-far in his career, he has shown he will most likely be out boxed and drop rounds 'Fighters can still out box Wilder, while being apprehensive of his power'.

This notion that Fury is the only fighter who has the ability to beat Wilder 'Due to the combination of durability and boxing ability is also not quite a conclusion fact in my opinion'.

I have a long time ago, made the statement that 'Joshua can beat Wilder more impressively, and efficiently than Fury'.

Fury was decked and battered by Wilder, because he is a innately extremely clumsy fighter 'Fury's entire career, has been a collection of technical calamity. There is very rarely a fight with Tyson Fury, were he does not have momentarily lapses of complete technically calamity'.

Fury is very similar to Amir Khan in that regards i.e Fury can boxed greatly, then just for no apparent reason 'Malfunction or go way off track'.

Peter Fury was the trainer who refined this area of Fury's game etc.

[Boro]

Do you think Wilder makes fights easy for himself? If Wilder cannot **** out his opponent, he almost has no choice 'But to get battered and drop rounds'.

Even if Wilder tries his best to not get beaten up, he will be getting whacked vs most other top level Heavyweights.

Wilder's whole game is his power 'That is it'.

Parker like you say mate? He can potentially beat Wilder, via knock-out, stoppage, or by out boxing him 'Parker has that ability'.

Wilder is no conundrum, YOU can devise a game plan of how to beat him 'Most people can who know boxing, how know fighting'.

Wilder is not Mike Tyson 'Mike Tyson had power. But as a offensive fighter, that was not his whole game 'It was extremely difficult to win rounds vs Mike Tyson at his so called peak or even just outside of his peak'.

Note: Wilder will most likely win, but do not be surprised if this fight is really difficult for Wilder etc.

Why are you stuck on Wilder, Wilders only real attributes are he closes distance fast and somewhat well and his "vaunted" power but in this division that's all you need it's not a division renowned for requiring exceptional boxing acumen now is it?.

Compared to Parker he's extremely limited BUT as I've pointed out numerous times now Parker NEVER puts it all together at once.

And the inability to do so has not only cost him fights multiple times it's limited him to a b-/c tier fighter and that's unlikely to ever change and it's extremely disappointing because as i've said it could be argued he's top 3/4 as far as potential skill/ability is concerned.

[IAMTHAT]

I am going Wilder KO 2
Joshua MD
Miller TKO 8
Bivol UD

Wilder TKO 6
Joshua TKO 8-12
DDD TKO 6
Bivol TKO 6
Jai TKO 6

[PRINCEKOOL]

Why are you stuck on Wilder, Wilders only real attributes are he closes distance fast and somewhat well and his "vaunted" power but in this division that's all you need it's not a division renowned for requiring exceptional boxing acumen now is it?.

Compared to Parker he's extremely limited BUT as I've pointed out numerous times now Parker NEVER puts it all together at once.

And the inability to do so has not only cost him fights multiple times it's limited him to a b-/c tier fighter and that's unlikely to ever change and it's extremely disappointing because as i've said it could be argued he's top 3/4 as far as potential skill/ability is concerned.

I rate Wilder for what he is good at, but? There is a lot of his game were he is not so good.

Parker in my opinion, put together a really good game plan and executed it very well vs Joe Joyce 'You cannot sit here, and go on as if? Parker under performed in that fight'.

On that specific night, Joe Joyce may of very well pushed many of today's current Heavyweights to the brink.

For all what you are saying about Parker, I will still keep saying it? Parker has no bad performances 'Point them out to me'.

Parker has not performances were he has been blasted out, or looked completely lost vs any opponent.

Note: I could just come up in here, and say something really cliche such as 'Wilder is going to knock out Parker in 1 round, blah blah yada yada'.

But this is not how I personally operate, when analyzing a fight 'When I am interested in a fight, I will like to then? Go through scenarios, simulations, eventualities. And I will just play it out'.

I have detected a scenario, a eventuality 'That could potentially play out in this fight. The evidence is there'.

And the evidence is strong enough, for me to say 'Right, the likely hood is that Wilder will win. And I will kind of back him to win'..

But I would not describe that decision as 100% etc.