Comments Thread For: Froch: Deontay Wilder Knocks Anthony Joshua Spark Out in One Round

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Neither of you align very often with how I think, but when you're up against someone who thinks that James Toney, a guy on my short list of IBHOF members who should NOT be in; well, I suppose I find you with me in the same trench.

But that quip about "and you're now running away. You can tell you're an American".

You want to expand on that for us a little?
I'm smelling something rotten there.

Americans on here deflect when you ask them to justify their comments . It's either that or insane levels of gaslighting, projection, lies, slander, contradictions, hypocrisy and so on. They refuse to get into it because they know you've caught them out. They basically run away from it.

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I am uneasy. I have a real distaste for misinformation, ******ity, historical revisionism.
Sometimes, the general display of these makes me chuckle. Sometimes uneasy.


"....All Wlad (Klitschko) is, is a guy who got beat by Sanders and Brewster and the like (Ross Puritty, 24-13-1). A bit like Ali, all he is is a guy who lost to Norton 3 times (Once, actually) and Young (W UD, actually, 72-65, 70-68, 71-64) even though neither of them were world class".

What can anyone say?

Ali lost all 3 to Norton. He even admitted to losing fight number 3. The closest one was the second go round as i had Norton by a point. But he still won it. Robberies exist and have always existed. Same with Young and Shavers. They beat Ali as well. The only fight Young got after winning was Foreman. He beat Norton himself but they didn't give him the decision.

It isn't historical revisionism you're doing. It's out and out madness. Pick out a low point in a fighters career and paint the picture that this is what they are. You could do that with every fighter in history so the logic is just ******. Round up all their good points and judge them on that and see what you come out with. I don't rate Robinson on all his losses. I rate him on all his wins. Same way i do with all fighters. I don't contradict myself and show extreme insecurity. it's just a sport at the end of the day. But many, they act like it's life or death. F3cking creepy if you ask me. It's like being surrounded by a load of Deontay Wilder's.

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That bodybuilder physique is pretty su****ious. Yeah, it's speculation. Just like Evander Holyfield. He never peeed hot, either. Good point about Toney and Usyk. Who would you pick to win, the Toney that fought Jirov or the Usyk that fought Breidis?

Look into the Evan Fields situation. Holyfield had been on the juice ever since moving up to heavyweight. Hell, he probably was on it at Cruiser as well. He had no shame being on it, that's for sure.

Usyk wins every round in one sided fashion. Toney isn't competing with Usyk even in his dreams. He only beat Jirov by a point on my card. And Jirov hadn't beat anyone worth a damn. Name him if you think otherwise.

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Paulie was shot. Tackie was an African journeyman. Maussa was a stiff. Urango got destroyed by Devin Alexander. Castillo was still mourning the death of his brother. Tszyu was on the way out. Collazo got robbed in Boston. Try again.

Wilder will put Parker to sleep. Then what will you say?

I asked you to prove me wrong on Hatton having a better resume on his own than every American combined. But this is what you give me? Strawmen? And a very bad one too as your description is nonsense. I mean, a prime Paulie was shot? Haha. What? Kostya wasn't on his way out. He only decided that AFTER losing to Hatton. He wasn't at his absolute peak prime, but he was damn near to it. Hatton was just a bad style match up. Maussa beat Harris for the title. That was a good world class win. The rest of what you wrote is equally bad.

So, list all the wins that mean something from your lot, and let's put it to the test. What's wrong, haven't the Americans got a collective resume better than a "Bum" according to you? How shameful.

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The talent pool is shallower now than it has been in decades. That's why you have 4 weight champs like Broner and Mikey Garcia. You have Haney winning undisputed against Kambosos. And you have Usyk winning undisputed against average competition, and then he won the unified Heavyweight against the weakest champion since Charles Martin.

Yeah, Broner and Mikey took on the very best in every weight class they were in. Haha.

Barkley was clearly past his best when Toney took him on. He lost to Reggie and got a gift. Toney was badly wobbled and dropped in that fight too. It was just one of his many gift decisions. He also lost the first fight to McCallum. Toney won the second fight, but Mccallum was just a bit too far gone by that point. He only had one more good win in him after that loss to Toney against Harding and he was completely done.

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You have failed to convince me. There's no doubt Toney lost focus for a few years. The way mythical matchups work is the best version of fighter A vs the best version of fighter B. You know that. The version of Toney that beat Jirov beats everybody Usyk did at Cruiserweight. Those guys weren't that good.

Jirov wasn't even world class. He was a decent fringe level fighter. It's why you won't be able to list any world class fighters he beat.

Do you think Bermain Stiverne was better than AJ? Haha.

Toney must have lost focus his entire career then. It wasn't just over a period of a few years.

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it's not my list, it's somebody else's list from 2023. No Breidis, Gassiev, or Huck on it, and all 3 of them are in decline now. They will never be on a list like this. Wow! You're really taking your clear loss hard. It's safe to say Toney's Urban American style would trouble a stiff Brit or Eastern European. This isn't the domestic level you're used to. Good luck next time!

If an urban American style would trouble a "Stiff Brit" why is that we beat you the vast majority of the time we fight then? We've always got the better of you in all of history when we fight. The facts are there if you want them.

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Here's another list: https://boxingnewsonline.net/top-10-...s-of-all-time/

wow! Why does Toney and Jirov make everybody's list but yours? And you double down on your wrongness! I'm sorry, but nobody believes you. Your entire outlook on life is wrong. Any any opinion you have on boxing is automatically suspect. How do you live with yourself?

Americans did those lists. You're an American. Just listen to you and see how credible you are. It's the same with them. They're there to be laughed at. There is no way Jirov, who wasn't a world class fighter, is ahead of many others that were. He's there to make Toney look good and justify him being on the list. Americans always have to put their guys in lists regardless of whether they belong or not. It's a joke. And a bad one. Just look at the P4P list. No one of credibility should be paying it any mind.

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I asked you to prove me wrong on Hatton having a better resume on his own than every American combined. But this is what you give me? Strawmen? And a very bad one too as your description is nonsense. I mean, a prime Paulie was shot? Haha. What? Kostya wasn't on his way out. He only decided that AFTER losing to Hatton. He wasn't at his absolute peak prime, but he was damn near to it. Hatton was just a bad style match up. Maussa beat Harris for the title. That was a good world class win. The rest of what you wrote is equally bad.

So, list all the wins that mean something from your lot, and let's put it to the test. What's wrong, haven't the Americans got a collective resume better than a "Bum" according to you? How shameful.

Tim Bradley had a clearly better resume than Hatton. We don't even need to go beyond that. And Bradley whooped a Brit for his first title, no?

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Americans did those lists. You're an American. Just listen to you and see how credible you are. It's the same with them. They're there to be laughed at. There is no way Jirov, who wasn't a world class fighter, is ahead of many others that were. He's there to make Toney look good and justify him being on the list. Americans always have to put their guys in lists regardless of whether they belong or not. It's a joke. And a bad one. Just look at the P4P list. No one of credibility should be paying it any mind.

Oh look! The fan boy is back! Your views are so skewed and biased that you can't even be taken seriously.