What Is A Robbery? Devin Haney - Vasyl Lomachenko Scored By Unbaised Artificial Intelligence.

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One can claim an AI is unbiased and scores it properly when he shows the algorithms behind this AI.

[The Big Dunn]

This thread is absolutely pathetic.

Any doubt that Haney won was removed when Loma decided to avoid fighting Shakur to fight the weak Kambosos instead.

If Loma actually believed he won he’d be chomping at the bit to get in with the best LW in the world.

Instead he takes a BS tuneup fight just like a true loser would.

[Cypocryphy]

This thread is absolutely pathetic.

Any doubt that Haney won was removed when Loma decided to avoid fighting Shakur to fight the weak Kambosos instead.

If Loma actually believed he won he’d be chomping at the bit to get in with the best LW in the world.

Instead he takes a BS tuneup fight just like a true loser would.

lol I know how much this thread hurts you Big Dunce. Why do you not reply to this thread again so everyone can see how much it hurts. ​​

[uppercut510]

Time to let it go guys

[The Big Dunn]

lol I know how much this thread hurts you Big Dunce. Why do you not reply to this thread again so everyone can see how much it hurts. âÂÂâ

It doesn’t hurt me in any way. I’m smart enough to know the scoring is driven by the designer of the program. It is in no way unbiased as you claim in the thread title.

My scorecard was inline with the Judges on fight night. I thought Haney won. I haven’t wavered from that.

You’re the one hurt. That is why You are making this thread months after the fight.

I bet you cried like your hero did. Hahahah lmfao.

I notice you are avoiding discussing the point I made- Loma isn’t behaving like a winner and fighting Shakur this year, he’s behaving like a loser.

Very weak waiting until next year to fight Kambosos, a fight no one cares about, so he can hopefully get back in the win column and look good. This despite Shakur saying he thought Loma beat Haney.

Actions speak much louder than words. You and Loma have been behaving like losers since the Haney fight. It isn’t a coincidence.

Waaaaaahhhhh!!

[IronDanHamza]

This thread is absolutely pathetic.

Any doubt that Haney won was removed when Loma decided to avoid fighting Shakur to fight the weak Kambosos instead.

If Loma actually believed he won he’d be chomping at the bit to get in with the best LW in the world.

Instead he takes a BS tuneup fight just like a true loser would.

I don’t know if this is a wind up attempt but obviously Loma thought he won and he very arguably did win. I had him winning.

That said though, definitely not a robbery. He lost. If anything he should pursue a rematch with Haney, and I think Haney should give him one. He at least deserves one.

[Cypocryphy]

I had the same score live as you, either 8-4 or 9-3, I don't remember. I agree that some people are getting hung up on overall scores when a fight can be close but end up 120-108 because the same fighter did slightly more in each round.

It's also funny to see people acting like this is just an AI compubox, when it's much more. Is there any 10-10 scoring by this AI? I think a reasonably wide 10-10 threshold would be good.

Yes. Exactly. This is what approximately 90 percent of the world saw that night. I rewatched the Bivol - Canleo fight, where we had pretty much the same judges (and we should stop calling them judges at this point and call them agents) give Canelo five rounds. That fight was arguably 12-0 or 11-1 Bivol at best. AT BEST! It would have been such an overt robbery that they had to make it nearly a draw to justify a rematch, at which point they would have robbed Bivol if Canelo were able to win at least two rounds.

Also, going to your 10-10 scoring question, Moretti gave Garcia a 10 in a round where he was knocked down. He justified it by claiming that Garcia was so dominant earlier in the round that it negated the knockdown. But Garcia was only aggressive for 1/3 of that round, and many of his punches were blocked. However, according to him, that justified a 10-10 round because had Gervonta not knocked him down, it would have been a 10-8 round for Ryan, just based on that. So this same judge watched the Loma fight, and based on his on standards, should have give Loma a 10-8 round in the 10th because Haney didn't do anything in return, just ate punches. That's a 10-8 round. But Moretti the NSAC agent scored that as a 10-9 round for Haney. On top of that, he rewatched the fight later and said he would not change his score. I have that from someone who spoke to him after the fight. He literally rewatched that round and said he can't see it any other way than a 10-9 round for Haney, even though he landed practically nothing that round, just ate punches.

So this is basically what we are dealing with in Nevada. No one will ever get a fair shake in Nevada if you are not the A-side and an American. The intention too was to rob Tank if it came to the cards. Garcia is more marketable than Tank. I know some will argue this, but Garcia has the potential to be the next Oscar De la Hoya. He can tap into both the American and Mexican market, which is something Tank can't do. Garcia's youth and capabilities and revenue generation exceed Tank's, so the NSAC will favor Garcia in any matchup to maximize profits.

Anyway, the AI doesn't score fights. It captures and presents the data necessary to judge a fight. You will still need judges to determine who won the round. But the AI captures all the information necessary to judge and score a round. I think it's brilliant.

[Cypocryphy]

I don’t know if this is a wind up attempt but obviously Loma thought he won and he very arguably did win. I had him winning.

That said though, definitely not a robbery. He lost. If anything he should pursue a rematch with Haney, and I think Haney should give him one. He at least deserves one.

Haney will never give Loma a rematch. His father repeatedly stated that the fight wasn't even close. Nobody ever gives Loma a rematch, not matter how hard he tries to get one. Everyone also knows why they won't give him rematches. They know that if they were to do so, he'd beat them by a larger margin. That's really what it is.

Devin knows that rematch would generate much more money than his fighting Regis Prograis. The Loma rematch would have the world watching because of the notoriety the first fight received. The PPV buys would definitely exceed that of Regis Progais and Devin. Loma is much more popular than Regis. This was true with Teofimo as well. He would have made so much more money rematching Loma than fighting Kambosos, it's ridiculous. But nope, he wanted to fight Kambosos and duck the rematch. Look where that got him, too. He should have fought Loma, took the L and make much more money.

Anyhow, Haney is not never going back down to lightweight. He's going to fight Thurman after this fight, and he might never go back down to junior welterweight. Devin really is huge. He's just as tall as Regis, but he's broader. His head is bigger. There will be no fights against Tank or Shakur unless they move up to 140 or maybe even 147. I can't see that ever happening.

[Cypocryphy]

It doesn’t hurt me in any way. I’m smart enough to know the scoring is driven by the designer of the program. It is in no way unbiased as you claim in the thread title.

My scorecard was inline with the Judges on fight night. I thought Haney won. I haven’t wavered from that.

You’re the one hurt. That is why You are making this thread months after the fight.

I bet you cried like your hero did. Hahahah lmfao.

I notice you are avoiding discussing the point I made- Loma isn’t behaving like a winner and fighting Shakur this year, he’s behaving like a loser.

Very weak waiting until next year to fight Kambosos, a fight no one cares about, so he can hopefully get back in the win column and look good. This despite Shakur saying he thought Loma beat Haney.

Actions speak much louder than words. You and Loma have been behaving like losers since the Haney fight. It isn’t a coincidence.

Waaaaaahhhhh!!

I made several posts with various fights, showing how the judges mis-scored those fights. However, it is only this fight that triggers clowns like yourself. Why is that? Why this fight and not the others. I know why. It kills you inside to know that none believes Haney is the real undisputed champion. You can go look at all the polls, on YouTube, on Reddit, on every social media platform, and you find that 90 percent of the population do not believe Haney is the real undisputed champion. This thread is not out to prove anything. It's to demontstate how accurate the AI is in analyzing fights.

And in regard to fighting Kambosos, Loma said he was not going to fight for a year, that he was taking a year off. The Kambosos fight will be exactly one year since his last fight. Shakur wasn't going to wait a whole year to fight. Furthermore, after Shakur's last performance, that fight is not the most lucrative fight. Loma has a huge fanbase in Australia (according to Kambosos), so that is a massive money generating fight over there. They will be fighting for a belt. Then the winner can fight Shakur to try to unify. That's the plan.

But you'r dumb ass just wants to spout absolute ****e in this forum again and again. But I would expect nothing less from someone whose brain is the size of a peanut. And yes, this thread is killing you inside, which is why you keep replying to it and overlooking the whole point, which is to display this new technology in action. (Which will be used in pro fights next year. Yes. Various networks have determined that it is so accurate, that it will be using it for their fights come next year. So your hating ass can just sit there and suffer while your favorite fighters no longer get any gifts.

[Cypocryphy]

One can claim an AI is unbiased and scores it properly when he shows the algorithms behind this AI.

It's based on the rules of the sport. There is nothing biased in determining whether a punch lands or doesn't land. There is no basis in deterring wither a punch was hard or soft. Are there sometimes mistakes? Of course, nothing is perfect, but the error rate is so much less than what we see with humans, that to not use this new technology would be madness. This similar to being against the use of replays in football. This technology presents and collects data from the fight. It still requires humans to interpret that data and score the fight.

Like I said, there is nothing biased in look at a punch and assessing whether it lands or doesn't, whether is was high impact or low impact. It collects all kinds of data. And it has been in the development stage for years already. It has more than 1,000 professionals analyzing it and giving feedback to improve its performance. This is the future. This is a step toward preventing corruption in the sport. All boxers need to get a fair shake because of what's at stake career wise.

The next step is to clean up the NSAC. That is the biggest problem in the sport right now. This sport is a niche sport because people just are tired of robberies. I talked to several guys in their 60s and 70s who told me they stopped watching a long time ago because seeing all the robberies made them lose love for the sport. If you talk to anyone who used to watch this sport but no longer do so, you will hear the same reason given: "The sport is too corrupt."