What Is A Robbery? Devin Haney - Vasyl Lomachenko Scored By Unbaised Artificial Intelligence.

[eco1]

We don't score by number of punches, its based primarily of effectiveness of punches which is a judgement call and machine eyes need not apply we only like emotional subjective flesh and blood types round these parts.

So you are saying Loma won clearly cause he was the one snipping Haney's head all over the place.

[Eff Pandas]

A lot of people say if a fighter won 7-5, it's not a robbery, it just means it could have gone either way. That's sometimes the case when there's swing rounds.


Its not eniterly true though, you can still have a fight where its close on the cardz but each round had a clear winner. Floyd v Maidana 1 is a good example, there wasn't really many debatable rounds, it was pretty clear after each round who won it.


I'd say Loma v Haney falls into the first category. I had Loma winning 7-5, but there was close rounds in there. I still couldn't really find 7 rounds for Haney personally but there was close enough rounds where people might score them the other way.

100% in agreement with this mode of thought.

I had it 7-5 Devin, but there were enough close rds that I get someone having close rds I gave to Devin going Loma's way to the point of having him winning on their card.

Thats why my main counterpoint in this Devin vs Loma outcome debate has primarily been about what you are suggesting over saying Devin deserved the decision or to dog ppl saying Loma deserved the decision. It was simply a close fight with more either way rds that puts the margain of error on the outcome firmly on either guy winning depending on how you scored those swing rds.

[RetroSpeed05]

I was reading their comment section of the vid and he said they will count "tagging back-of-the-head punches as illegal" will be implemented soon as well. Thats good I hate how in a clinch the person who hits behind the head sometimes is considered working in the "clinch"

[Cypocryphy]

You are being far too loose with appointing that round 10-8 without a knockdown.

You're telling me that round 11 of Haney-Loma was comparable of round 7 of Pacquiao-De la Hoya, Round 6 of Mayweather-Gatti, round 5 of Serrano-Taylor, round 10 of Khan-Maidana, or round 7 of Josesito Lopez-Keith Thurman?

You're absolutely insane.

It was a dominant round for sure with Loma lighting him up and doing it dominantly enough to win it on all scorecards, but that WASN'T enough of a beatdown for it to be labeled a 10-8 round.

But what do I know? It's not like I spend nearly all my free time re-watching complete boxing broadcasts or jotting down notes on memorable quotes.

Just found this today, which is used for professional judging assessments. They differentiate between "Decisive" and "Extremely Decisive." This is for North America and Asia.

Decisive
(10-9) – When one boxer has won the round by a large margin of victory over their opponent by utilizing a combination of the scoring criteria, Scoring Punches, Effective Aggression, and/or Ring Generalship (Control). When comparing Scoring punches the winner of the round convincingly won the round.

Extremely Decisive
(10-8) – When one boxer has won the round by total domination and significantly outscored their opponent by utilizing a combination of the scoring criteria, Scoring Punches, Effective Aggression, and/or Ring Generalship (Control). The winning boxer dominated and/or staggered the other boxer.

Based on this, which is how the American judges are trained, both of those rounds should have been scored 10-8 rounds because Haney barely landed anything in return. Haney was doing practically nothing for two rounds but eating punches.

Anyway, I'm posting this just for future reference when scoring fights.

[Cypocryphy]

I was reading their comment section of the vid and he said they will count "tagging back-of-the-head punches as illegal" will be implemented soon as well. Thats good I hate how in a clinch the person who hits behind the head sometimes is considered working in the "clinch"

Yeah. Also, there's been a big problem with holding and hitting. So many times I see boxers wrap their arm around their opponent and then start punching them. Yes. Those punches are doing damage, but they are not scoring points. If you watch Duran (a master at inside boxing), his arms are only controlling the other fighters arms, while landing punches. There's a big difference between that an wrapping your arm around the other man's back and punching with the other. It explicitly states in the rules that's "holding and hitting."

[Cypocryphy]

AI isn’t unbiased
AI relies upon being fed certain variables, and priorities, which is up to the discretion of the person inputting them

If the person determining the AI input does not value jabs, or singular strong punches vs flurries of weaker punches, the AI result won’t either. Especially so if the AI is reinforced by prior human scoring as part of its ‘learning’ stages

That is incorrect. The A.I. is trained to implement the rules of boxing, which have been agreed on and relied on for decades now. That's like saying speed traps at lights are biased. You either run the red light or speed or you don't. That's the the law. Those are the rules. Those cameras are not favoring one guy who ran a red light over another. I don't think you understand what it is doing.

[Cypocryphy]

I was right about you in the other thread. You are clearly disturbed and mentally unstable about loma's loss. 118-110 is the dumbest score ever. Neither guy created that much separation, but devin edged it. Let it go you mentally deranged weirdo.

This A.I. is recent. I didn't judge this fight or make this video. Someone else did. I'm just sharing it along with others. The only mentally deranged person on here is you who has to follow me around, constantly replying about this. You literally follow me around everywhere. Why are you so bothered by this?

This is how you can tell that someone is bothered: instead of attacking the subject, the attack the person instead. I've never said a bad thing about you, but here you are attacking me personally. You know what that means? That you're the mentally deranged weirdo. Now take a hike you weirdo.

[Cypocryphy]

A lot of people say if a fighter won 7-5, it's not a robbery, it just means it could have gone either way. That's sometimes the case when there's swing rounds.


Its not eniterly true though, you can still have a fight where its close on the cardz but each round had a clear winner. Floyd v Maidana 1 is a good example, there wasn't really many debatable rounds, it was pretty clear after each round who won it.


I'd say Loma v Haney falls into the first category. I had Loma winning 7-5, but there was close rounds in there. I still couldn't really find 7 rounds for Haney personally but there was close enough rounds where people might score them the other way.

I definitely disagree with this. At the end of the fight, everyone was pretty much in agreement that there was one clear winner, and it wasn't Haney. You know that's true when 90 percent of the boxing community saw one guy win.

[Lance98]

This A.I. is recent. I didn't judge this fight or make this video. Someone else did. I'm just sharing it along with others. The only mentally deranged person on here is you who has to follow me around, constantly replying about this. You literally follow me around everywhere. Why are you so bothered by this?

This is how you can tell that someone is bothered: instead of attacking the subject, the attack the person instead. I've never said a bad thing about you, but here you are attacking me personally. You know what that means? That you're the mentally deranged weirdo. Now take a hike you weirdo.

You are definitely upset and mentally weak, quoting a post that is not new on top of that. I must have hit a nerve.

[buge]

Me too. I had it closer, however. I had it either 8-4 Loma or 9-3 Loma, and I thought I was being super biased at the end with the 9-3. But if we go by what landed and didn't land, as well as how effective the punches were and who was being the effective aggressor, then Loma wins by 10 rounds.

But there were some close rounds where Loma just edged it. So sometimes these scores can be misleading.

I watched Duran and Hagler last night, and I was surprised by how many punches Duran is able to avoid. The only way Hagler could really hit him is punch from the inside.

Anyway, the company is called Jabbr, and this is the future. I think we should all support them so that we can take some steps to clean up the sport.

(Oh yeah, check on Golovkin vs Canelo II. That was very interesting.)

I had the same score live as you, either 8-4 or 9-3, I don't remember. I agree that some people are getting hung up on overall scores when a fight can be close but end up 120-108 because the same fighter did slightly more in each round.

It's also funny to see people acting like this is just an AI compubox, when it's much more. Is there any 10-10 scoring by this AI? I think a reasonably wide 10-10 threshold would be good.