What Is A Robbery? Devin Haney - Vasyl Lomachenko Scored By Unbaised Artificial Intelligence.

[Cypocryphy]

Do they do cards now? 118-110 Loma is an insane card.

Last I watched they just told who landed more shots, bigger shots & some other less obvious stats that can be interpreted many ways. And as we all know & agree with largely landing more shots doesn't equal you win the round unless you time machined back to early 90's amateur boxing.

Yeah. That's not the actual card. That's just going off of who landed the harder, cleaner pushes and who landed more of them. DeepStrike doesn't actually score fights. Judges will still have to be used, so it's conceivable that the scorecard wouldn't look like that. There were some rounds that were close and could have gone to Haney. But given that DeepStrike also shows who was also being more aggressive in the round, making a case for Devin winning the round is much harder than making a case for Loma winning the round. So when you have (as Shakur said) the guy who's pushing the pace, making the other guy fight his fight, and landing the most effective punches and more of them, it seems inconceivable for Devin to win the fight.

I think it's just interesting that the AI supports what 90 percent of the boxing world saw that night. I believe Loma won, and I believe he won that fight 9-3. I'm aware that some disagree, but everything coming out in recent months supports that this fight will, given the context and what was at stake, go down as one of the biggest robberies in the history of the sport

[Cypocryphy]

So you believe landing more shots equals a round being won???

I don't even think the JabbrAI ppl believe that. Most boxing fans definitely don't believe that.

I love this AI punch stat world thats coming, but I think you are going further with their stats than they are.

I believe that landing the harder, cleaner punches has more value in determining who wins a round than the other scoring criteria. And that's just not what I believe; that is what is stated in the ABC Boxing Rules, what professional judges have stated; in fact, it's what has been stated over and over again. Even in Europe, they explicitly put percentages next the scoring criteria, with the last two only accounting for 10 percent while clean punches account for 50 percent in determining who wins a round.

That's just how people have scored fights for decades now. I don't see why it would suddenly change for one night. Do you? You think ring generalship is worth more than landing clean punches? I'm not sure what your perspective is here.

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah. That's not the actual card. That's just going off of who landed the harder, cleaner pushes and who landed more of them. DeepStrike doesn't actually score fights. Judges will still have to be used, so it's conceivable that the scorecard wouldn't look like that. There were some rounds that were close and could have gone to Haney. But given that DeepStrike also shows who was also being more aggressive in the round, making a case for Devin winning the round is much harder than making a case for Loma winning the round. So when you have (as Shakur said) the guy who's pushing the pace, making the other guy fight his fight, and landing the most effective punches and more of them, it seems inconceivable for Devin to win the fight.

I think it's just interesting that the AI supports what 90 percent of the boxing world saw that night. I believe Loma won, and I believe he won that fight 9-3. I'm aware that some disagree, but everything coming out in recent months supports that this fight will, given the context and what was at stake, go down as one of the biggest robberies in the history of the sport

I'd argue you are making too many conclusions here. Esp with your stance its 10-2 Loma from their POV. Fans had this fight close more than they thought Loma won going away like some guys say. This was a close fight.

One of the issues I had with what JabbrAI is doing is how relevant are their other numbers & esp that "harder shot" number they got if you are trying to make some decision on what wins a round to an AI. Historically I've found as a fan of compubox their power shot stats tend to lean more towards who won the fight than their overall shot stats. This JabbrAI stuff is so new idk what to make of their stats esp these new stats no one else is doing, but I've known forever that all shots aren't created equal & landing 3 more shots than the opp doesn't always mean you won the round. And ik aggression & pressure matter in how I & others view a fight, but how much is that they case when we are trying to judge a round on it? I also think there are a lot of intangibles we don't even bring up that sway our takes on a fight like if a guy looks hurt or missteps in the ring. Overall I see what Jabbr is doing as a work in progress than something anyone should be making too many conclusions from.


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[Cypocryphy]

I'd argue you are making too many conclusions here. Esp with your stance its 10-2 Loma from their POV. Fans had this fight close more than they thought Loma won going away like some guys say. This was a close fight.

One of the issues I had with what JabbrAI is doing is how relevant are their other numbers & esp that "harder shot" number they got if you are trying to make some decision on what wins a round to an AI. Historically I've found as a fan of compubox their power shot stats tend to lean more towards who won the fight than their overall shot stats. This JabbrAI stuff is so new idk what to make of their stats esp these new stats no one else is doing, but I've known forever that all shots aren't created equal & landing 3 more shots than the opp doesn't always mean you won the round. And ik aggression & pressure matter in how I & others view a fight, but how much is that they case when we are trying to judge a round on it? I also think there are a lot of intangibles we don't even bring up that sway our takes on a fight like if a guy looks hurt or missteps in the ring. Overall I see what Jabbr is doing as a work in progress than something anyone should be making too many conclusions from.


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I want to respond to this in more depth but am really short on time at the moment. But there are two things that I want to address, which is Compubox and scoring fights.

With regard to Compubox, that company is a joke. I pay no attention to Compubox and recommend everyone to ignore those stats, despite more often than not supporting the winner of the fight. I am convinced that the company is nothing more than a PR extension for promotional companies. It never fails that the A-side fighter has his stats ridiculously inflated. Take the Shakur vs De Los Santos fights. By the third round, they said Shakur landed more punches than he even threw. Take that Lopez vs Richard Commey fight. I remember the most ridiculous stats in that fight, where the second round had Lopez landing 32 power punches, or something like that, when Lopez only threw 14 punches or so. How can someone misjudge how many punches are thrown? Compubox is a joke. No one should pay attention to that company.


Last, I want to know how you scored Golvking vs Canelo II and how you scored Hagler vs Duran. Do you have your scorecards for those fights? If you do, can you share them?

[Eff Pandas]

I want to respond to this in more depth but am really short on time at the moment. But there are two things that I want to address, which is Compubox and scoring fights.

With regard to Compubox, that company is a joke. I pay no attention to Compubox and recommend everyone to ignore those stats, despite more often than not supporting the winner of the fight. I am convinced that the company is nothing more than a PR extension for promotional companies. It never fails that the A-side fighter has his stats ridiculously inflated. Take the Shakur vs De Los Santos fights. By the third round, they said Shakur landed more punches than he even threw. Take that Lopez vs Richard Commey fight. I remember the most ridiculous stats in that fight, where the second round had Lopez landing 32 power punches, or something like that, when Lopez only threw 14 punches or so. How can someone misjudge how many punches are thrown? Compubox is a joke. No one should pay attention to that company.


Last, I want to know how you scored Golvking vs Canelo II and how you scored Hagler vs Duran. Do you have your scorecards for those fights? If you do, can you share them?

In fairness I'm a fan of the attempt more than what they are doing with their nintendo bs lol & there are obv issues with it I don't deny, but as a fan of stats in a sport devoid of stats I like what they are attempting while thinking Jabbr is doing something bigger & better for boxing & the stats of boxing that are under used. I look forward to what Jabbr is doing to become the standard for punch stats & I think they will its just a question of time. That said I don't think Jabbr is a finished product is my issue with what they are doing rn & I think its not as easy as you or others might suggest to take away who won a round off of their stats esp when you ignore other stats they collect. I've yet to find ANY stat except a KD that decides who won a round with consistency. I don't even think you should be coming to conclusions of who won a round with merely stats at this point.

I believe I had it 7-5 GGG. To me GGG won that fight with his jab. I don't recall how I had Hagler vs Duran or if I even attempted to score it over just enjoy it when I saw it tbqh. I don't have a rbr of my GGG 7-5 card that I'm aware of.

Randomly I think if you were trying to score rounds off of stats I think you'd need a microchip in gloves that measures the force of shots that would show damage in a better way then counting shots by themselves ever will. Til there is something like that in play along with accurate stats that also measures damage, not unlike a video game life bar, I think its too big of a jump to decide a round merely on those stats.

[davef]

118-110 for loma?

A.I. Is racist

[The D3vil]

crimsonfalcon07 You see? This is one of those clowns I was telling you about, who's so triggered that he actually has to go to other threads that have nothing to do with Devin and Loma and start bitching and moaning about this fight.

Every time someone mentions Devin's name, you can hear this clown's ass pucker from across the Internet. I rarely see a man as triggered as this clown.

I've made one thread about this fight (this one) since the fight occurred to demonstrate this technology and how it could help in scoring fights, but in his little pea brain, he thinks this one thread has multiplied into hundreds. That's how bothered this man is. Like I said, his ass puckers every time you mention Devin's name. Don't be fooled by all his gifs. This man has untoward thoughts about other men.

And like I said clown: Keep posting replies on here. I know how much it hurts, so keep making me smile.

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[techliam]

AI isn’t unbiased
AI relies upon being fed certain variables, and priorities, which is up to the discretion of the person inputting them

If the person determining the AI input does not value jabs, or singular strong punches vs flurries of weaker punches, the AI result won’t either. Especially so if the AI is reinforced by prior human scoring as part of its ‘learning’ stages

[Lance98]

Yeah. Here's DeepStrikes Scorecard:

DEEPSTRIKE

	DEVIN HANEY	VASYL LOMACHENKO
1	10	9
2	9	10
3	9	10
4	9	10
5	9	10
6	9	10
7	9	10
8	9	10
9	9	10
10	9	10
11	9	10
12	10	9
TOTAL:	110	118

I was right about you in the other thread. You are clearly disturbed and mentally unstable about loma's loss. 118-110 is the dumbest score ever. Neither guy created that much separation, but devin edged it. Let it go you mentally deranged weirdo.

[deathofaclown]

A lot of people say if a fighter won 7-5, it's not a robbery, it just means it could have gone either way. That's sometimes the case when there's swing rounds.


Its not eniterly true though, you can still have a fight where its close on the cardz but each round had a clear winner. Floyd v Maidana 1 is a good example, there wasn't really many debatable rounds, it was pretty clear after each round who won it.


I'd say Loma v Haney falls into the first category. I had Loma winning 7-5, but there was close rounds in there. I still couldn't really find 7 rounds for Haney personally but there was close enough rounds where people might score them the other way.