What Is A Robbery? Devin Haney - Vasyl Lomachenko Scored By Unbaised Artificial Intelligence.

[TintaBoricua]

BTW, you could make an argument that Loma had a 10-8 round in round 11. He kicked the crap out of Devin that round, landing 21 punches to Devins five, 11 of which were power punches.

You are being far too loose with appointing that round 10-8 without a knockdown.

You're telling me that round 11 of Haney-Loma was comparable of round 7 of Pacquiao-De la Hoya, Round 6 of Mayweather-Gatti, round 5 of Serrano-Taylor, round 10 of Khan-Maidana, or round 7 of Josesito Lopez-Keith Thurman?

You're absolutely insane.

It was a dominant round for sure with Loma lighting him up and doing it dominantly enough to win it on all scorecards, but that WASN'T enough of a beatdown for it to be labeled a 10-8 round.

But what do I know? It's not like I spend nearly all my free time re-watching complete boxing broadcasts or jotting down notes on memorable quotes.

[Cypocryphy]

Jeez, let it go.

The fight was 115-113 (either way) or a draw by the standards that we judge boxing by today.

In the future A.I. may very well score fights & I support that . . . in the future, when the technology has been thoroughly tested and implemented on lower levels.

They way we judge boxing now, it was not a robbery.in any way by the judges or by Compubox wihich has been around for 40 years now & said Haney outlanded or tied Loma in punches landed in 7 of 12 rounds.

With no knockdowns, that's a fine scorecard.

You need to watch DeepStrike in action before posting an opinion like this. It's clear to me that you have not actually evaluated DeepStrike. I went out of my way trying to find issues with it today, and it has prove me wrong rather than the other way around.

The technology is ready to be used. Advancements in AI are far more advanced than you seem to realize. And Deep strike accurately assessed the strikes from each boxer in that fight, and it supports what the majority of the world saw that night, that one man was robbed because he was older and a foreigner.

That's just what it was, and that's why we should push for this technology to be used today, right now. I see terrible and tragic decisions made every weekend. I'm tired of it. These boxers/fighters deserve this.

[famicommander]

I scored it even.

[Spray_resistant]

That's why I said that the AI in DeepStrike measures the punches from minimum to maximum, so it goes minimum value (e.g. flicking jab), low value, middle value, high value and maximum value. If you watch the Golovkin and Canelo fight, you can see that it easily separates what is a maximum value strike from what is merely a low value strike. As to the technicalities of how it works, you'd have to ask the creators. But from the fights I've seen, it does very well at assessing the strength or impact of a punch.

If you're saying that a power punch from Paulie is worth far less than a power punch from Cotto, you can't score a fight that way. Regardless as to who hits harder, it will be apparent to the judge or, in this case, the AI because he'll be hurt afterward, dropped or stopped. You can't have boxers get in the ring and because in your opinion one hits harder that every single one of his punches is worth much more than his opponent's. That's what it sounds like you're saying here, and that's not how you judge a fight. If a punch is that much more powerful, then it willl be evident by its effect on the opponent.

But like I said, it already determines how hard a punch is and does so quite accurately. Check out the Canelo and Golovkin fight to very for yourself.

Yes, that is what I am saying and you're supposed to because you score with a strong emphasis on clean EFFECTIVE punches. Paulie can't break an egg and Cotto possessed thudding heavy shots which effected fighters more.

[Cypocryphy]

You are being far too loose with appointing that round 10-8 without a knockdown.

You're telling me that round 11 of Haney-Loma was comparable of round 7 of Pacquiao-De la Hoya, Round 6 of Mayweather-Gatti, round 5 of Serrano-Taylor, round 10 of Khan-Maidana, or round 7 of Josesito Lopez-Keith Thurman?

You're absolutely insane.

It was a dominant round for sure with Loma lighting him up and doing it dominantly enough to win it on all scorecards, but that WASN'T enough of a beatdown for it to be labeled a 10-8 round.

But what do I know? It's not like I spend nearly all my free time re-watching complete boxing broadcasts or jotting down notes on memorable quotes.

A judge is able to award a 10-8 round without a knockdown, if the fighter scoring 10 dominated the round by a huge margin (this is usually only used if a round is total one-way traffic, or perhaps if a fighter was saved from a knockdown because the round expired). In the case of the 11th round, it was one way traffic the whole round, so an argument can be made for a 10-8 round. It's possible. Depends on the judge.

[Cypocryphy]

Yes, that is what I am saying and you're supposed to because you score with a strong emphasis on clean EFFECTIVE punches. Paulie can't break an egg and Cotto possessed thudding heavy shots which effected fighters more.

You're free to score a fight however you feel fit. You can score a fight on how the fighter looks if you want to, but that's not how you score a fight and never has been. When two fighters are in the same weight class, you treat everything as equal in that sense. And like I said, your own subject feelings on the capabilities of a boxer are your own and not necessarily based in reality.

What is based in reality is when a boxer is hurt by a punch, stunned, dropped or knocked out. That's what determines a power punch. And like I said before, if one puncher hits harder than the other, it will show in the fight because the other fighter will slow down, take more punishment from being previously hurt, dropped and stopped. These effects are evident and don't require your feelings about a fighter to influence the matter.

[Atypicalbrit]

In fights of two halves, fans always gravitate to the guy who finished stronger.

Like say if there's a fight and for the first 8 rounds one guy is just barely edging all the rounds, then in the last 4 the other guy beats the **** out of him, it's still 8-4.

Loma would have an excellent chance in a rematch but the time it took him to work out Haney cost him the decision

[Spray_resistant]

You're free to score a fight however you feel fit. You can score a fight on how the fighter looks if you want to, but that's not how you score a fight and never has been. When two fighters are in the same weight class, you treat everything as equal in that sense. And like I said, your own subject feelings on the capabilities of a boxer are your own and not necessarily based in reality.

What is based in reality is when a boxer is hurt by a punch, stunned, dropped or knocked out. That's what determines a power punch. And like I said before, if one puncher hits harder than the other, it will show in the fight because the other fighter will slow down, take more punishment from being previously hurt, dropped and stopped. These effects are evident and don't require your feelings about a fighter to influence the matter.

This is how boxing is scored, the criteria favors harder punchers and durable fighters who are less effected by hard punches and no it doesn't always happen that way where they slow down or get stopped. Yes, it is a human judgement call as its always been which is subjective but what you're suggesting is fundamentally incorrect because as I said fights are judged on clean effective punches which can be a subjective judgement call. I don't think taking the main criteria out and reducing it to a video game is an improvement due to the fact that all power punches from all fighters are not equal and all punches landed on all fighters are not equally effective.

[Cypocryphy]

This is how boxing is scored, the criteria favors harder punchers and durable fighters who are less effected by hard punches and no it doesn't always happen that way where they slow down or get stopped. Yes, it is a human judgement call as its always been which is subjective but what you're suggesting is fundamentally incorrect because as I said fights are judged on clean effective punches which can be a subjective judgement call. I don't think taking the main criteria out and reducing it to a video game is an improvement due to the fact that all power punches from all fighters are not equal and all punches landed on all fighters are not equally effective.

So when Devin and Rigis fight, you're going to count every one of Reigis' punches as worth 10 of Haney's punches? So that's how you'll judge that fight? Bro ... come on now. You don't see how ridiculous that is? I tell you what, why don't you put this up for the forum to answer. You should make a post asking if you give one guy much more credit for every punch landed because he's deemed/believed to be a harder puncher than the other guy. Just put that up there. You can get more feedback that way. I think it deserves to be a post on its own. I'm curious to see what others say

[Cypocryphy]

In fights of two halves, fans always gravitate to the guy who finished stronger.

Like say if there's a fight and for the first 8 rounds one guy is just barely edging all the rounds, then in the last 4 the other guy beats the **** out of him, it's still 8-4.

Loma would have an excellent chance in a rematch but the time it took him to work out Haney cost him the decision

You need to watch the video before responding. Too many of you guys are getting triggered and posting before watching the video.