Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson: I Had a Bad Performance, I Wasn't Feeling Too Good

[Airtioteclint]

I literally fell asleep during the ring walk. Woke up at 4 in the morning west coast time to read how boring it was. I was going to sleep one way or another looks like.

[ShoulderRoll]

All that stuff you stated is his problem. Doesn't change the fact that the consumer is always at fault for their assumption of a fight when nobody(unless you're a psychic) can predict how a fight is gonna go. Anybody that's watched Stevenson before and think he's going to be in some type of brawl or war against anybody that doesn't force him to is a straight fool. Simple as that. Can only blame yourself for assuming wrong.

So what you’re saying is that consumers should just never pay to go see Shakur Stevenson from now on?

After yesterday a lot of them will probably take that suggestion.

[ShoulderRoll]

Two great posts.

I'm so tired of this idea that the "boxer" just has to not get hit with anything big and he wins the round by default. Kriegel had Shakur 4-0 up after four and 7-1 up after eight. How? There was nothing to split them in about ten of the rounds. Shakur won the twelfth and Santos won one of the earlier rounds, just about everything else was up in the air. The commentary was a joke.

To the people criticising Santos for not cutting the ring off and taking more chances, why should the onus all be on him? He was the only one trying to make the fight as it is, the only one initiating anything. Whenever he so much as thought about taking a step forward Shakur had already taken two steps back, and the few times he just bum-rushed his way in and got close Shakur immediately held on for the ref to break them. There's not a lot you can do against that. It's called spoiling for a reason. If he was getting pieced up from the outside then yeah, it's on him to cut the ring off and pin Shakur down, but he wasn't. It was tit-for-tat. I'm not even sure who won tbh.

Smaller rings is the answer, bro.

That will eliminate all these boring runners.

[Boxfan83]

No disrespect to you buddy, but if your reffering to my comment, that's your assumption. Nobody referred themselves as a "boxer" or "superior athlete" in any way from what I said. Sound like you feel some of way bc what I said hit home for you. I'm a regular guy just like you who actually took some time to experience what boxers go thru in training and in the ring and know how to respect and appreciate their toughness and skills at what they do instead of just criticizing them. Most of the people talking wild about fighters in these forums probably never even been hit by mommy and daddy, let alone a grown man. That ish doesn't tickle. I'm just saying.

"No disrespect to you buddy" but then proceed to disrespect. Is that you Billy Banks? You took a Tae Bo class and thinks you tough now? Listen here Mr. Tae Bo, just because your Boxercise coach can do knuckle push ups while shouting on a wireless mic dont mean hes got skillz.

Listen, Im in a boxing gym 6 days a week, 7 really because I got a gym in my garage. But to act like fans dont have the right to give an opinion just because they didnt choose to get hit in the head as a profession is absurd. To act like people that spend earned income on an app or ticket cant voice displeasure is ridiculous.

[Griever0730]

Hummm, define what you mean by "purist." because if you stick to the absolute defining rules, two guys weight in, put on the gloves, one guy touches the other, says "you're it" and they both play tag for the prescribed amount of rounds. On a purely technical point the initiator won the fight.

And as you said, if I dont like it, i dont have to watch. But conversely, if Stevenson puts on a public performance, he's open to criticism on that performance.

I agree that everybody is entitled to their opinion. That's the only thing they're entitled to. By purist I mean as in I watch the sport for the skills, abilities and toughness and not necessarily for the entertainment value. Of course, like all the kids here crying about fights being boring, yea I would love for every fight to be entertaining. But like it's said in boxing: styles make fights. Some styles mesh perfectly and some styles don't mesh at all. These boxing "fans" here acting like this is something new. If you assumed a fight would be a great fight and it doesn't happen, can only blame yourself for assuming it would be that. Nobody can predict how any fight is gonna go. Ain't that hard to understand.

[Griever0730]

So what you’re saying is that consumers should just never pay to go see Shakur Stevenson from now on?

After yesterday a lot of them will probably take that suggestion.

No offense on anything I'mma say, but is this a serious question? You making it sound like you don't have any choice but to watch him. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch him or any fighter they don't wanna watch. There's plenty of other fighters and fights to watch. You have the power of choice in life just like everybody else. What you stated, that's his problem that he needs to address, not yours or anybody elses. You can act and think for yourself in case you didn't know. You don't hafta be a follower like 99% of the world.

[ShoulderRoll]

No offense on anything I'mma say, but is this a serious question? You making it sound like you don't have any choice but to watch him. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch him or any fighter they don't wanna watch. There's plenty of other fighters and fights to watch. You have the power of choice in life just like everybody else. What you stated, that's his problem that he needs to address, not yours or anybody elses. You can act and think for yourself in case you didn't know. You don't hafta be a follower like 99% of the world.

In every other industry the customer is always right.

But you want that to not be the case in boxing just so that you can play Captain Save A Ho for Shakur’s horrible performance.

[Boxfan83]

Two great posts.

I'm so tired of this idea that the "boxer" just has to not get hit with anything big and he wins the round by default. Kriegel had Shakur 4-0 up after four and 7-1 up after eight. How? There was nothing to split them in about ten of the rounds. Shakur won the twelfth and Santos won one of the earlier rounds, just about everything else was up in the air. The commentary was a joke.

To the people criticising Santos for not cutting the ring off and taking more chances, why should the onus all be on him? He was the only one trying to make the fight as it is, the only one initiating anything. Whenever he so much as thought about taking a step forward Shakur had already taken two steps back, and the few times he just bum-rushed his way in and got close Shakur immediately held on for the ref to break them. There's not a lot you can do against that. It's called spoiling for a reason. If he was getting pieced up from the outside then yeah, it's on him to cut the ring off and pin Shakur down, but he wasn't. It was tit-for-tat. I'm not even sure who won tbh.

Boxing in general is prejudice. Any boxer that's style is labeled "slick" or a "purist" only has to see the final bell in many instances to get the W. Even in the instances they do lose, its always a lot closer than whats seen. I totally understand if a boxer moves with the intention to set up shots, but if you are moving to avoid a boxing, than the agressor should be awarded the round considering his style is more effective. Boxing is supposed to be judged on ring generalship and effective punching. If a boxer is constantly moving because the bigger punchers shot effected him or hes afraid to engage, how can boxing judges not award the agressor?

[Griever0730]

"No disrespect to you buddy" but then proceed to disrespect. Is that you Billy Banks? You took a Tae Bo class and thinks you tough now? Listen here Mr. Tae Bo, just because your Boxercise coach can do knuckle push ups while shouting on a wireless mic dont mean hes got skillz.

Listen, Im in a boxing gym 6 days a week, 7 really because I got a gym in my garage. But to act like fans dont have the right to give an opinion just because they didnt choose to get hit in the head as a profession is absurd. To act like people that spend earned income on an app or ticket cant voice displeasure is ridiculous.

See, now you just coming off as sensitive as hell bc in no way did I disrespect you and you still took it that way anyway. Never said you can't voice your opinion on the fight. Opinions are the only thing we are entitled to in this world. If anybody bought tickets or watched the fight assuming it was gonna be a great fight, that's the consumer's fault for assuming wrong. Unless you're a psychic, nobody knows how any fight is gonna play out. Your tickets only entitle you to the fight, not the type of fight you think or hope it might be. If you took the time to process what I said instead getting in your feelings right away and making it seem like I'm belittling on you, you would probably get what I'm saying much better. And for the record, I don't know who the f%$^ Billy Banks is. Lol

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loma just rang tank and said why the hell are we scared of this dude huh

tank just shook his head said, donno