Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson: I Had a Bad Performance, I Wasn't Feeling Too Good

[ShoulderRoll]

I'mma be harsh with this one, so take it how you want. Only thing you're free to be entitled to in this world is your opinion, so I agree there. But when you buy tickets or a PPV for a fight, you're entitled to the fight itself. You're not entitled to a great fight or the fight you assume it might/should be. Only an entitled dummy would think that. The consumer is at fault for paying and assuming they were gonna see an amazing fight from a guy who’s not known for being in amazing fights. Just like the ******s who sued for May vs Pac bc it wasn't the fight they assumed it would be. As I said, if they didn't like what they saw, get in the ring, go get clocked with some shots and show everybody how to do better. Entitlement is a straight b%#$* mentality that alot of society has seemed to develop more and more as the generations go by. That's the only ******ed thing I see.

If you choose to stink out the joint and make the paying customer unhappy then you are hurting your own career.

Don’t expect to be called on to headline PPV shows that way. Or to get better percentages of the purse. Also, on the non-business end don’t expect to ever be beloved by the people.

[Griever0730]

That’s the point - after a performance like this, more and more boxing fans WON’T watch Stevenson, which will leave much more room in half-empty arenas for boxing “purists” with an inflated air of superiority - like you - to appreciate such a boring genius fighter. I don’t think Stevenson’s bank account will benefit from it.

I don't feel superior to anybody. Just seems like telling the truth and hurting people's feelings with it nowadays is feeling superior to others. Maybe they just feel inferior bc they can't handle the fact I pointed out that it's their fault for assuming wrong on what they thought they were gonna see and fail to hold themselves accountable. I'm not gonna crab and complain like these kids in the comment section trashing a fighter bc they didn't fight the way they hoped they would when they know they probably wouldn't do any different. Anybody that actually watches boxing and seen Stevenson fight should know what to expect from him already. This is boxing, not fighting. It's hit and don't get hit. All you boxing "fans" should know this by now. Don't get heated at me for speaking the truth. Get mad at yourselves for fooling yourselves.

[real raw]

No offense dude, but this some couch potato ish you saying. Whoever is knocking him and actually paid for this and actually expecting a great fight should step in and show him how it's done. Easy to say from someone whose most likely never been in the ring and gotten clocked before. Styles make fights and their styles didn't mesh. Happened plenty of times before. Saying a fighter was "uninspired" while there was a world title on the line is some pretty funny ish to hear. Nobody goes into a championship match in any sport "uninspired". That's some nonsense that somebody that's never played sports, let alone been in the ring would say. He did what he had to do to defeat the danger in front of him and came out on top. I agree it wasn't entertaining for us, but he got the job done for him. The sport is hit and don't get hit my man. You should know all this by now if you're not a casual. If you are, then I'll understand why you feel the way you do.

To set the record straight, I have stepped inside the ring, so I speak from experience. So while I may be speaking from the couch at this time, I feel qualified to render an opinion. No one is asking that he risk his life, just that he make some semblance of a boxing match / fight, which he did not. You sound like a casual in the regard that you think that qualified as boxing match, it was closer to table tennis.

[lilacp]

Many elite boxers have off nights, these are human beings after all. The level of expectation that some folks out there have for boxers is simply absurd. And I say this as someone who's not a fan of Stevenson. This fight was as putrid as a fight can be, and Stevenson is partly responsible for it. This will obv affect his marketability going forward. But De Los Santos did even less than him, people should also be knocking Edwin.

In the end, I don't think we can gauge how Stevenson will perform against Davis or Haney based on this fight, not unlike the case of Teofimo López's bout with Kambosos. But Stevenson shouldn't be asking pay parity based on the egg he just laid.

[real raw]

All good. You're gonna hafta explain why my comment holds no water bc I feel like I hit the the typical boxing "fan" state of mind right on the button. Stevenson is a P4P fighter who has a decent fan base and just won his 4th world title in a 3rd division and still undefeated. He ain't going anywhere as long as he stays winning. In regards to Davis I know of him, but don't know much about him bc, correct me if I'm wrong, he's from the 70's/80's. Before my time so I can't speak on that. Stevenson has been dominant whether it was good, bad and/ ugly. If a fighter's style does not entertain you, don't watch him. Simple as that. That's just my opinion as a boxing purist.

Hummm, define what you mean by "purist." because if you stick to the absolute defining rules, two guys weight in, put on the gloves, one guy touches the other, says "you're it" and they both play tag for the prescribed amount of rounds. On a purely technical point the initiator won the fight.

And as you said, if I dont like it, i dont have to watch. But conversely, if Stevenson puts on a public performance, he's open to criticism on that performance.

[Boxfan83]

To set the record straight, I have stepped inside the ring, so I speak from experience. So while I may be speaking from the couch at this time, I feel qualified to render an opinion. No one is asking that he risk his life, just that he make some semblance of a boxing match / fight, which he did not. You sound like a casual in the regard that you think that qualified as boxing match, it was closer to table tennis.

Theres always an excuse. I love how its prewritten that 1 fighter should be pressing the action because thats not the other fighters style. It shouldnt be that way. Its like what wouldve happened if De Los Santos just started circling laterally around the ring? Would Shakur then get labeled as the agressor and have to walk De los Santos down? Would De Los Santos get the W based on not getting hit?

[Griever0730]

Most of these "boxers" that like to use Couch potato or try to act like they're some "superior athlete" dont even know what a W4 is much less know how to fill one out. Theyll never understand what its like to work an 8hr day. All they know is mediocrity.

No disrespect to you buddy, but if your reffering to my comment, that's your assumption. Nobody referred themselves as a "boxer" or "superior athlete" in any way from what I said. Sound like you feel some of way bc what I said hit home for you. I'm a regular guy just like you who actually took some time to experience what boxers go thru in training and in the ring and know how to respect and appreciate their toughness and skills at what they do instead of just criticizing them. Most of the people talking wild about fighters in these forums probably never even been hit by mommy and daddy, let alone a grown man. That ish doesn't tickle. I'm just saying.

[Boxfan83]

Many elite boxers have off nights, these are human beings after all. The level of expectation that some folks out there have for boxers is simply absurd. And I say this as someone who's not a fan of Stevenson. This fight was as putrid as a fight can be, but De Los Santos did even less than Stevenson.

In the end, I don't think we can gauge how Stevenson will perform against Davis or Haney based on this fight, not unlike the case of Teofimo López's bout with Kambosos.

I agree De Los Santos stunk it up too! But for one, I didnt see Stevenson land half the punches compubox stated. Another thing is why is it on De Los Santos to bring the action? Its prejudice to think if De Los Santos dont press the action he automatically loses. A fighter shouldnt get the win based on his style, it should be based on his ring generalship and effective punching. Last night I didnt see either but if you have 1 fighter afraid to engage, thats definitely not being the ring general.

[Griever0730]

If you choose to stink out the joint and make the paying customer unhappy then you are hurting your own career.

Don’t expect to be called on to headline PPV shows that way. Or to get better percentages of the purse. Also, on the non-business end don’t expect to ever be beloved by the people.

All that stuff you stated is his problem. Doesn't change the fact that the consumer is always at fault for their assumption of a fight when nobody(unless you're a psychic) can predict how a fight is gonna go. Anybody that's watched Stevenson before and think he's going to be in some type of brawl or war against anybody that doesn't force him to is a straight fool. Simple as that. Can only blame yourself for assuming wrong.

[dannnnn]

That wasnt stick and move. That was jab the air and jump back.DLS landed about the same amount of jabs, unsure what compubox was watching.

****** comment, theyre both boxers and have gloves on, theyre both supposed to punch. You dont just give 1 guy a role in boxing and say you are the cat and you are the mouse. This aint Tom and Jerry weeblo.

Two great posts.

I'm so tired of this idea that the "boxer" just has to not get hit with anything big and he wins the round by default. Kriegel had Shakur 4-0 up after four and 7-1 up after eight. How? There was nothing to split them in about ten of the rounds. Shakur won the twelfth and Santos won one of the earlier rounds, just about everything else was up in the air. The commentary was a joke.

To the people criticising Santos for not cutting the ring off and taking more chances, why should the onus all be on him? He was the only one trying to make the fight as it is, the only one initiating anything. Whenever he so much as thought about taking a step forward Shakur had already taken two steps back, and the few times he just bum-rushed his way in and got close Shakur immediately held on for the ref to break them. There's not a lot you can do against that. It's called spoiling for a reason. If he was getting pieced up from the outside then yeah, it's on him to cut the ring off and pin Shakur down, but he wasn't. It was tit-for-tat. I'm not even sure who won tbh.