If Calzaghe fought at MW Hop would never have been champ

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Had Roy chose to stay @ SMW and defend rather than move up to LHW, he would have just taken all the belts there instead, including the one Joe wound up sitting on for ten years doing nothing to further his career. Steve Collins would have just been another bum like the rest who got destroyed by Roy in his prime. You know as well as I do that Toney was the best SMW and Jones shut him out. Jones was the best there when he moved up and was 100% undisputed @ LHW. Hence, being the 'Ring' world champ. You can go back eluding to Jones not facing DM all you want but you and I both know he didn't want to make the fight with the guy who called all the shots.(P4P#1 at the time. Like Manny Pacquiao would let somebody presently dictate a fight with him, get real) Dariusz wanted a hometown hero fight and wasn't willing to fight Jones any other way. That's the only reason there wasn't lineage whether you like it or not.

So....Roy was never an undisputed champion then?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Steve Collins would have just been another bum like the rest who got destroyed by Roy in his prime. .

At least you're honest about the level of Roy's competition in his prime.

[BEEHOP]

Past prime Joe did beat a close to prime Roy. RJJ barely touched him in that fight and Calzaghe as we now know was close to retirement.

Jones loses to Tarver and Glen Johnson were only because he was green right? He reached his prime in the Trinidad fight! I can't believe that 50 year old Joe calzahge beat him.

[Spray_resistant]

Who knows what could have happened or how Hopkins and Calzaghe would have matched up then. Maybe neither would have been champ because sadly one loss for a good fighter can make you a very avoided gatekeeper opponent.....As much as ppl don't want to hear it Joe won the fight while they were both old and we will never know what would have happened at their bests when they were younger and fought differently than Joe did later in his career and Bernard does now.

[Dan...]

Hopkins and Joe both cause problems for each other in their primes but I think a younger and more active version of Hopkins would have been too much for Joe and would have won a decision. Joe fans that point to Calzaghe having more power back in his younger days need to realise that Hopkins wouldn't have cared. Hopkins' straight right hand would have been the deciding factor in this fight. He showed he could land it in their fight last year and would have landed it more often and with more power if he had fought Joe in his prime.

Just my take.

[roundingace]

And if Roy never left MW, OR SMW... neither Joe OR Bernard would have never been champ...

Lol, was thinking the same thing.

[Chase8400]

So....Roy was never an undisputed champion then?

My Quote: "Jones was the best there when he moved up and was 100% undisputed @ LHW. Hence, being the 'Ring' world champ".

Ring champ = UNDISPUTED.

Savy?

Examples: Calzaghe was undisputed @ LHW after he beat Hopkins. He was indeed undisputed champ. Did that mean he beat everyone in the division who held a belt or who held lineage? No, and again...........No.

Point. Fact. Case closed.

[Leakbeak]

to be honest..the younger hopkins that fought tito would have ko'd joe..he was more active,hungrey and raw...prime hopkins wasnt to be ****ed with

Yeah! The older inactive Hopkins still kicked his ass. Hopkins called Joeout ten years ago and was willing to move up. Joe never foguth the best in their primes because he would have been KO'd. Hopkins and Jones di however fight the best in their primes and emerge victorious. They have the legacy of champs, and Joe has the legacy of a fraud

[Chase8400]

At least you're honest about the level of Roy's competition in his prime.

Hopkins, Tony, Griffin, McCallum, Gonzalez, Woods, Hill = the definition of bum.

After Roy outclassed a guy so easily in his prime, he was always called a bum until he went on to capture a world title against other strong opponents.

The word 'dense' comes to mind again strangely enough.

Remind me again the notable guys Joe Calzaghe beat in his prime?
>Shouldn't take long.

[lparm]

Hopkins, Tony, Griffin, McCallum, Gonzalez, Woods, Hill = the definition of bum.

After Roy outclassed a guy so easily in his prime, he was always called a bum until he went on to capture a world title against other strong opponents.

The word 'dense' comes to mind again strangely enough.

Remind me again the notable guys Joe Calzaghe beat in his prime?
>Shouldn't take long.

Former champions Reid, Eubank, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins and RJJ. Even if some of them were past prime they were no worse than a 40 year old McCallum, 34 year old Hill, or a 35 year old retired Tito. RJJ beat some good prime fighters at lower weights, but who did he really beat at the elite level at lhw besides his very close Tarver win? Let me guess Clinton Woods. Yep he's about as good as Lacy or Woodhall.