If Calzaghe fought at MW Hop would never have been champ

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  • Frank Martin
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    #181
    Originally posted by Chase8400
    Hopkins, Tony, Griffin, McCallum, Gonzalez, Woods, Hill = the definition of bum.

    After Roy outclassed a guy so easily in his prime, he was always called a bum until he went on to capture a world title against other strong opponents.

    The word 'dense' comes to mind again strangely enough.

    Remind me again the notable guys Joe Calzaghe beat in his prime?
    >Shouldn't take long.
    Peter Manfredo
    Jeff Lacy
    Got knocked down by Byron Mitchell
    Had a hard time against Charles Brewster

    Joe is an ATG!! ^_*

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      #182
      Originally posted by Chev Chelois
      Peter Manfredo
      Jeff Lacy
      Got knocked down by Byron Mitchell
      Had a hard time against Charles Brewster

      Joe is an ATG!! ^_*
      Pretty convenient you named only those fighters and mentioned Joe was dropped by Mitchell. Didn't Roy get dropped by Del Valle? You forgot to mention Kessler who is still the best 168 lber and favorite for the tourney and Hopkins who just came off a big win against the #1 mw. Didn't Roy have a hard time with Harding until the injury? If you watch RJJ-Harding and Calzaghe-Brewer I think both fights were tough.

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      • Chase8400
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        #183
        Originally posted by Chev Chelois
        Peter Manfredo
        Jeff Lacy
        Got knocked down by Byron Mitchell
        Had a hard time against Charles Brewster

        Joe is an ATG!! ^_*
        Oh yea, thanks Chevy.

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        • Chase8400
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          #184
          Originally posted by lparm
          Pretty convenient you named only those fighters and mentioned Joe was dropped by Mitchell. Didn't Roy get dropped by Del Valle? You forgot to mention Kessler who is still the best 168 lber and favorite for the tourney and Hopkins who just came off a big win against the #1 mw. Didn't Roy have a hard time with Harding until the injury? If you watch RJJ-Harding and Calzaghe-Brewer I think both fights were tough.
          Point was, Jones beat a hell of a lot better so called-bums than Calzaghe did in their respective primes. Old Eubank was all Joe did in his physical prime. Also, it's kinda funny how a lot of the guys Jones beat went on to do something afterwards while everyone Joe beat did ****all afterwards, meaning they were always on the slide. Just like Jones and Hopkins. If you think Joe would have went twelve with prime Jones, you need to take up being a fan of euro-football or something. Spare us here.

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            #185
            Originally posted by pacman777
            they all say prime hop/roy beats cal... i say past prime cal > prime hop/roy even
            I love how they also ignore the fact that Joe isn't much younger than Roy or Hop. Prime Calzaghe was much faster and a much harder and crisper puncher then the one who dismantled Hop and Roy. Joe also had very fragile hands when he fought them both...

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              #186
              Originally posted by lparm
              Pretty convenient you named only those fighters and mentioned Joe was dropped by Mitchell. Didn't Roy get dropped by Del Valle? You forgot to mention Kessler who is still the best 168 lber and favorite for the tourney and Hopkins who just came off a big win against the #1 mw. Didn't Roy have a hard time with Harding until the injury? If you watch RJJ-Harding and Calzaghe-Brewer I think both fights were tough.
              harding was in his prime and had just beaten tarver. brewer was shot and just got ko'd by echols.

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              • Frank Martin
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                #187
                Originally posted by lparm
                Pretty convenient you named only those fighters and mentioned Joe was dropped by Mitchell. Didn't Roy get dropped by Del Valle? You forgot to mention Kessler who is still the best 168 lber and favorite for the tourney and Hopkins who just came off a big win against the #1 mw. Didn't Roy have a hard time with Harding until the injury? If you watch RJJ-Harding and Calzaghe-Brewer I think both fights were tough.
                You contradict yourself by saying was never been down early his career. Oh yeah! I forgot he also lose to Robin Reid and Sakio Bika.

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                • S A M U R A I
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                  #188
                  Originally posted by Benny Leonard
                  For TS: IF Joe could have been a MW, he would have but he was to big for MW.
                  It's true. Joe was always a pretty big super middle. Even in the early days he was fighting guys such as Bobbie Joe Edwards (Eubank's cousin) who weighed in at 178 for that fight. Against Trevor Ambrose (another early pro fight) he was around 170. 168 was always the lowest he could ever get down to while remaining effective.

                  Joe must be 200+ these days. He was always pretty close to 200 when not fighting anyway.



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                    #189
                    Originally posted by Chev Chelois
                    Peter Manfredo
                    Jeff Lacy
                    Got knocked down by Byron Mitchell
                    Had a hard time against Charles Brewster

                    Joe is an ATG!! ^_*
                    Manfredo = easy pay day
                    Lacy = don't lie, you thought he would knock Calzaghe out
                    Mitchell = Calzaghe knocked him out in the same round
                    Brewer (not 'Brewster') = 119-109 / 117-112 / 118-111 cannot be described as "a hard time". You fail.



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                    • Frank Martin
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                      #190
                      Originally posted by S a m u r a i
                      Manfredo = easy pay day
                      Lacy = don't lie, you thought he would knock Calzaghe out
                      Mitchell = Calzaghe knocked him out in the same round
                      Brewer (not 'Brewster') = 119-109 / 117-112 / 118-111 cannot be described as "a hard time". You fail.
                      Lacy = I never heard of him until that fight.
                      Mitchell = Its a seesaw round. Its just Mitchell just gassed so he's lucky
                      Brewster = Not impressed with that win. It's horrible

                      Come Again!

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