Comments Thread For: Hearn: The Value of Fury-Usyk Has Plummeted, People Want Fury-Ngannou Rematch

[boogbx]

Ngannou vs AJ with the winner fighting Wilder. Very winnable for both guys depending who executed best.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fury had a bad night at the office, it happens, just like Tyson has a bad night against Douglas.

Francis was really good, he didn't look like a bum did he? He's got skills and physically he's a beast.

In fact if that version of Francis had fought Joshua, AJ would've probably got knocked out.

As long as Fury beats Usyk next, then all will be forgotten.

Ngannou's punching speed was slow, the pace of the fight was slow, and he was fatigued.

Ngannou fought a basic fight, very basic 'He was solid, but not a great fighter'.

Buster Douglas was a professional boxer, Ngannou was not a professional boxer.

Mike Tyson in all of his loses still showed flashes of greatness, and all-time great ability.

Were was that ability from Fury vs Ngannou? Why could Fury not just take Fury out of the fight with his power?

Why could Fury not just, decide to not get hit and play around? Fury is not a all-time great Heavyweight mate, that is the conclusion of his abilities.

Tyson Fury is a good fighter on a all-time scale, and a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights 'But is not a all-time great Heavyweight Champion'.

Fury literally done nothing vs Ngannou. Ngannou has most likely walked away from the fight, thinking to himself? That was a fairly easy night.

So Fury is going to fight Usyk next? When on December 23rd?

Note: You need to stop Denium mate, for your own dignity. Stop trying to protect Tyson Fury, stop lying and betraying yourself on a weekly basis 'Be a real supporter of Tyson Fury and call the man out, critiqued the man STOP being a yes man. You are being a yes man, most of his hardcore fans are yes men, and on the sly? You and I both know that Fury is very smart when it comes to people. Fury I don't think would respect the large majority of his fans, because he knows that they would just agree with whatever he says and does.

Like in Rocky 3, when Rocky Balboa was beaten by Clubber Lang this is that moment for Tyson Fury 'Fury does not need to hear all the nonsense crap, all of his hardcore fans have been saying since his performances vs Ngannou. Tyson Fury needs to hear the reality of the situation, this is it Denium. This is one of the most pivotal moments in Tyson Fury's career and life as a boxer'.

This is a message to Tyson Fury, team Fury and those who are closest to him.

'Mr Fury, outside of Kiltschko & Wilder you have barely fought at World level. And being honest with your mate, I don't think you have been performing at a high level since Wilder III. That fight was a great fight in terms of passion, competitiveness and brutality, but skill for skill it was not a high level fight. Your two fights vs Whyte and Chisora who are stylistically easy fights for you, were also overrated performances. You was doing nothing vs Whyte until you scored a fluke knock-out, and even though Chisora was semi-retired? You refused to meet Chisora in the center of the ring, like you said you would and pushed the fight 'You struggled to decked, and legitimately stopped Chisora. If the referee would not of engineered that stoppage, Chisora would of most likely survived the full 12 rounds'.

Right now is the most testing moment in Tyson Fury's boxing career. Tyson Fury is on the brink of just being another Heavyweight, that is it. Another Heavyweight Champion, like a Chris Bryd, Hasim Rahman, Michael Moorer, James Bone Crusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Trevor Berbick, Nikola Valuev, the list can go on. Because contrary to what you believe Fury statistically, is not a great Heavyweight Champion.

I have for sometime been saying that Fury, is ether one fight away from all time greatness or one fight away from being thrown into the abyss 'That statement is more relevant now more than ever before'.

Tyson Fury is backed into a corner as the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, which ever way he turns now? Somebody is waiting for him. Usyk, Ngannou rematch, Joshua, Wilder III. And all the other top level Heavyweights that he has never fought, who potentially could of beaten him on the weekend.

Forget about mythical head to head match ups Denium, forget about trying to dismiss and demean all other top level Heavyweights 'Nobody is buying it anymore, the large majority of the boxing is world is not buying. Tyson Fury lost the vote a long time ago, because this game is real 'And game recognizes game, we have not seen game from Tyson Fury for sometime'.

The only way Tyson Fury, can get that game back 'Is if he can go back'. But after years, of barely fighting at World level skill for skill? All the nonsense you and all the Fury cronies have been saying needs to stop. We have all witnessed and seen by far more greater fighters, more proven and talented fighters than Fury go out of the game hard 'Legends go out of the game hard Denium, Legends go out of the game hard'.

And I believe that Tyson Fury, he is potentially that type of fighter and man. But a fighter like Fury, potentially will not realize this until he is in that abyss in the game. When I speak about the abyss, it seems to be a place where many great fighters go 'It is like something drags them towards it'. Roy Jones Junior, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Evander Holyfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, we could go on 'Difference is, those fighters were by far greater than Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury is at that point, I am not over dramatizing the situation 'I have been making the case, or creating a theory that Usyk does have the ability to beat Tyson Fury the same way he beat Joshua or even worst. Now after the weekend's performance, I believe there is now evidence that Usyk can go even beyond that? Usyk may be able to decked and knock Tyson Fury out. Ngannou's punching power in boxing is unproven, his punches are slow 'Usyk has fast punch speed, and elite technique'.

Tyson Fury needs realness now mate, not bull-crap or some of his cronies lying to themselves 'As a loyal fan of Tyson Fury, you should all not want him to go out of the game hard' etc.

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Ngannou's punching speed was slow, the pace of the fight was slow, and he was fatigued.

Ngannou fought a basic fight, very basic 'He was solid, but not a great fighter'.

Buster Douglas was a professional boxer, Ngannou was not a professional boxer.

Mike Tyson in all of his loses still showed flashes of greatness, and all-time great ability.

Were was that ability from Fury vs Ngannou? Why could Fury not just take Fury out of the fight with his power?

Why could Fury not just, decide to not get hit and play around? Fury is not a all-time great Heavyweight mate, that is the conclusion of his abilities.

Tyson Fury is a good fighter on a all-time scale, and a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights 'But is not a all-time great Heavyweight Champion'.

Fury literally done nothing vs Ngannou. Ngannou has most likely walked away from the fight, thinking to himself? That was a fairly easy night.

So Fury is going to fight Usyk next? When on December 23rd?

Note: You need to stop Denium mate, for your own dignity. Stop trying to protect Tyson Fury, stop lying and betraying yourself on a weekly basis 'Be a real supporter of Tyson Fury and call the man out, critiqued the man STOP being a yes man. You are being a yes man, most of his hardcore fans are yes men, and on the sly? You and I both know that Fury is very smart when it comes to people. Fury I don't think would respect the large majority of his fans, because he knows that they would just agree with whatever he says and does.

Like in Rocky 3, when Rocky Balboa was beaten by Clubber Lang this is that moment for Tyson Fury 'Fury does not need to hear all the nonsense crap, all of his hardcore fans have been saying since his performances vs Ngannou. Tyson Fury needs to hear the reality of the situation, this is it Denium. This is one of the most pivotal moments in Tyson Fury's career and life as a boxer'.

This is a message to Tyson Fury, team Fury and those who are closest to him.

'Mr Fury, outside of Kiltschko & Wilder you have barely fought at World level. And being honest with your mate, I don't think you have been performing at a high level since Wilder III. That fight was a great fight in terms of passion, competitiveness and brutality, but skill for skill it was not a high level fight. Your two fights vs Whyte and Chisora who are stylistically easy fights for you, were also overrated performances. You was doing nothing vs Whyte until you scored a fluke knock-out, and even though Chisora was semi-retired? You refused to meet Chisora in the center of the ring, like you said you would and pushed the fight 'You struggled to decked, and legitimately stopped Chisora. If the referee would not of engineered that stoppage, Chisora would of most likely survived the full 12 rounds'.

Right now is the most testing moment in Tyson Fury's boxing career. Tyson Fury is on the brink of just being another Heavyweight, that is it. Another Heavyweight Champion, like a Chris Bryd, Hasim Rahman, Michael Moorer, James Bone Crusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Trevor Berbick, Nikola Valuev, the list can go on. Because contrary to what you believe Fury statistically, is not a great Heavyweight Champion.

I have for sometime been saying that Fury, is ether one fight away from all time greatness or one fight away from being thrown into the abyss 'That statement is more relevant now more than ever before'.

Tyson Fury is backed into a corner as the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, which ever way he turns now? Somebody is waiting for him. Usyk, Ngannou rematch, Joshua, Wilder III. And all the other top level Heavyweights that he has never fought, who potentially could of beaten him on the weekend.

Forget about mythical head to head match ups Denium, forget about trying to dismiss and demean all other top level Heavyweights 'Nobody is buying it anymore, the large majority of the boxing is world is not buying. Tyson Fury lost the vote a long time ago, because this game is real 'And game recognizes game, we have not seen game from Tyson Fury for sometime'.

The only way Tyson Fury, can get that game back 'Is if he can go back'. But after years, of barely fighting at World level skill for skill? All the nonsense you and all the Fury cronies have been saying needs to stop. We have all witnessed and seen by far more greater fighters, more proven and talented fighters than Fury go out of the game hard 'Legends go out of the game hard Denium, Legends go out of the game hard'.

And I believe that Tyson Fury, he is potentially that type of fighter and man. But a fighter like Fury, potentially will not realize this until he is in that abyss in the game. When I speak about the abyss, it seems to be a place where many great fighters go 'It is like something drags them towards it'. Roy Jones Junior, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Evander Holyfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, we could go on 'Difference is, those fighters were by far greater than Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury is at that point, I am not over dramatizing the situation 'I have been making the case, or creating a theory that Usyk does have the ability to beat Tyson Fury the same way he beat Joshua or even worst. Now after the weekend's performance, I believe their is now evidence that Usyk can go even beyond that? Usyk may be able to decked and knock Tyson Fury out. Ngannou's punching power in boxing is unproven, his punches are slow 'Usyk has fast punch speed, and elite technique'.

Tyson Fury needs realness now mate, not bull-crap or some of his cronies lying to themselves 'As a loyal fan of Tyson Fury, you should all not want him to go out of the game hard' etc.

I get it mate, you don't think he's a great heavyweight, fair enough opinion.

We'll see what happens won't we? Personally I think this actually might work out well for him.

Fury won the fight against Ngannou, I don't think you can deny that, but yes it was a shockingly bad performance.

However, going off Tyson's history, whenever he's a heavy favourite and fights like s*** like he did against Wallin etc, he comes back stronger.

Fury will now go into the Usyk fight as an underdog and as you've previously said, that will help him, and I'm confident that this awful performance will give him the lesson he needs, stop being a celebrity boxer and get back on the grind.

Shane Fury will sort this out, he's gonna be in charge of the next camp and he'll make sure that Tyson is focused and will get rid of all these hangers on and yes men.

But I agree his stock has gone down.

[LAchargers373]

It's because he constantly has YouTubers shoving cameras in his face asking him about it. They all respond when asked questions. Is he supposed to say "no comment" like it's a police interview?

To say the fight has plummeted is a joke. It actually makes it more interesting as more people will tune it to see Tyson fury lose( which he won’t) lol. Hearn is just a dosser that rags on any fight he’s not promoting. U don’t here arum and ellerbe and Espinoza talk **** on any of the garbage fights matchroom promotes which is 97% of their shows

[LAchargers373]

I get it mate, you don't think he's a great heavyweight, fair enough opinion.

We'll see what happens won't we? Personally I think this actually might work out well for him.

Fury won the fight against Ngannou, I don't think you can deny that, but yes it was a shockingly bad performance.

However, going off Tyson's history, whenever he's a heavy favourite and fights like s*** like he did against Wallin etc, he comes back stronger.

Fury will now go into the Usyk fight as an underdog and as you've previously said, that will help him, and I'm confident that this awful performance will give him the lesson he needs, stop being a celebrity boxer and get back on the grind.

Shane Fury will sort this out, he's gonna be in charge of the next camp and he'll make sure that Tyson is focused and will get rid of all these hangers on and yes men.

But I agree his stock has gone down.

That’s the thing about stocks. Good to buy them when they dip to get the best returns.

[dan-b]

To say the fight has plummeted is a joke. It actually makes it more interesting as more people will tune it to see Tyson fury lose( which he won’t) lol. Hearn is just a dosser that rags on any fight he’s not promoting. U don’t here arum and ellerbe and Espinoza talk **** on any of the garbage fights matchroom promotes which is 97% of their shows

The fact you used the word 'dosser' hints at you having a dog in this fight. Arum slags off plenty of stuff, there isn't any moral high ground among these salesmen so don't look for any. I don't understand why Hearn succeeds in winding people up so much. Why care that much?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Ngannou's punching speed was slow, the pace of the fight was slow, and he was fatigued.

Ngannou fought a basic fight, very basic 'He was solid, but not a great fighter'.

Just gonna point out here that Ngannou was doing things that a lot of the top 10 heavyweight boxers don't do. He had hand fighting that gave Fury fits, frames to measure distance and set up shots, feints, parry counters, and even used head movement some. All of those are tools that you don't see from Joe Joyce, for instance, or Deontay Wilder, for that matter. Could name several others that have a weaker game than Ngannou displayed too. Heavyweight isn't a very skilled division for the most part.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Just gonna point out here that Ngannou was doing things that a lot of the top 10 heavyweight boxers don't do. He had hand fighting that gave Fury fits, frames to measure distance and set up shots, feints, parry counters, and even used head movement some. All of those are tools that you don't see from Joe Joyce, for instance, or Deontay Wilder, for that matter. Could name several others that have a weaker game than Ngannou displayed too. Heavyweight isn't a very skilled division for the most part.

Is this for real? Ngannou fought a basic fight, the pace was not intense and he was fatigued.

Joshua can and has done all those things you have just mentioned.

I will give Ngannou credit, he did fight a very solid and disciplined fight 'But his tactics, were not really that sophisticated. Ngannou's quite a slow fighter in terms of foot speed, and punching speed. Deontay Wilder may not be technically a elite level fighter skill for skill, but Wilder is many more gears than Ngannou.

Note: No mate, I think you are being dismissive of other top Heavyweights. Ngannou potentially had a fighter in Fury in-front of him who is not really great as his hardcore fans have made out 'I don't think Fury has been performing at a very high level for sometime, Whyte, Chisora I don't rate those performances. Fury was doing nothing vs Whyte until he scored a fluke knock-out, and Chisora was semi-retired 'Even still Fury did not fight Chisora head on, and if the reference did not manufactured a stoppage Chisora most likely would of survive the full 12 rounds'.

Ngannou is strong, but a basic fighter 'Fury has fought better boxers than Ngannou skill for skill'.

Although I also don't think this era of Heavyweights are super skill fighters, do not be too dismissive of them 'There are domestic level Heavyweights who think they could beat Ngannou' etc.

[Zelda]

Eddie..go and make the Wilder fight instead of worrying about the value of other fights or fighters. Stop looking for every excuse to get away from that fight...first it was Hrgovic, then Zhang, and now Ngannou but in reality, AJ actually fought Franklin and Helenius and is looking for Charr or Kabayel. Also, if AJ ever fought Ngannou, it would be like the Ruiz II fight where AJ gets on his bike and goes for a boring 12-round decision. I bet AJ will win more comfortably but it will be one boring fight to watch.

Once the emotions are over...we will realize that Fury had a bad night (most probably mentally underestimated Ngannou) and will prepare properly for Usyk. If anything, the fight has become more competitive now as previously Fury was the favorite.

[Phase III]

And the value of DAZN has plummeted even more with Hearn in charge.