Ngannou vs Dubois.. The REAL Heavyweight Undisputed.. Who Wins?

[Marchegiano]

Fifty points to kaf. This thread is owned.

[kafkod]

Being a boxer doesn't mean you know the rules. There's still a ton of great boxers who think that judges SHOULD give all close rounds to the champ no matter what, because "to be the champ you have to beat the champ." I think Lennox Lewis just said you have to KO the champ to win. That's clearly BS. What that saying actually means is that the champ retains in the event of a tie. But there are tons of champs who won on the strength of a controversial split as a challenger, Leonard v Hearns being one famous example. It's a widely believed falsehood that has no basis in fact. Ditto the concept of low blows being defined by a beltline, when in fact it has nothing to do with it.

I suppose you think Russ Anber is wrong too, because he doesn't agree with the all-knowing Shawn Porter?

Teofimo Lopez thought he could still have lightweight belts up for grabs in a catchweight fight contested above the lightweight limit.

Etc. Tons of ****** takes even from famous boxers.

Teo's trainer - his dad - thought the same thing.

Jack Reiss said the navel cannot be used to establish the beltline in a boxing match because the position of the navel varies from person to person. But the Association of Boxing Commissions, who Jack works for, defines a low blow as "below the navel"

[kafkod]

Fifty points to kaf. This thread is owned.

Cheers March!

[kafkod]

There is no way Usyk beats the count. It's wishful thinking to believe so. While there is a small element of doubt which you could postulate upon, the reality is that he was severely hurt by the body shot and he even crawled away from Dubois on his hands and knees after it landed. He didn't grab his balls like he was injured in that region. We all saw what happened and how he reacted. That was a hell of a body shot and he folded. Martin Bakole knocked him out in sparring too, apparently with a body shot.

Dubois later got knocked out by Usyk because he gassed more than anything else. He'd already won the fight by knocking his opponent out within his 6 round window of opportunity but the opponent was given time to recover from that punch while Dubois adrenaline was being drained from the delay in waiting. History will look back on that fight as an egregious robbery.

What fight?

[baroidi]

Ngannou simply by heart and determination, Dubois might be one of the softest HW contenders ever.

[-MEGA-]

Being a boxer doesn't mean you know the rules. There's still a ton of great boxers who think that judges SHOULD give all close rounds to the champ no matter what, because "to be the champ you have to beat the champ." I think Lennox Lewis just said you have to KO the champ to win. That's clearly BS. What that saying actually means is that the champ retains in the event of a tie. But there are tons of champs who won on the strength of a controversial split as a challenger, Leonard v Hearns being one famous example. It's a widely believed falsehood that has no basis in fact. Ditto the concept of low blows being defined by a beltline, when in fact it has nothing to do with it.

I suppose you think Russ Anber is wrong too, because he doesn't agree with the all-knowing Shawn Porter?

Teofimo Lopez thought he could still have lightweight belts up for grabs in a catchweight fight contested above the lightweight limit.

Etc. Tons of ****** takes even from famous boxers.

Idk what you’re talking about. We’re talking about low blows. Shawn Porter clearly stated in his podcast what is and isn’t a low blow. Do you know more than him when it comes to boxing, yes or no?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Idk what you’re talking about. We’re talking about low blows. Shawn Porter clearly stated in his podcast what is and isn’t a low blow. Do you know more than him when it comes to boxing, yes or no?

Apparently I do when it comes to low blows. The definition is described clearly in the rules.

[-MEGA-]

Apparently I do when it comes to low blows. The definition is described clearly in the rules.

Post the rules then, lets see

[The Big Dunn]

Let Lomachenko defend his undisputed lightweight championship vs Shakur on that card.

Loma didn’t win.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Post the rules then, lets see

Why are you even here if you haven't read them?

Rules define a low blow as below the waistline, most frequently defined by the position of the navel. Here's an example.

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There's plenty of other sources. I usually request paper copies from the commission prior to fights. One thing it's definitively NOT is the beltline, because that moves around during the fight.