Ngannou vs Dubois.. The REAL Heavyweight Undisputed.. Who Wins?

[F!x]

Both Fury and Usyk lost their last fights but were gifted wins by the officials. Usyk got a fight-saving gift from the referee, and Fury got a fight-saving gift from the judges.

So all the heavyweight titles should have changed hands again this year and at the moment the real heavyweight champions are Daniel Dubois and Francis Ngannou. So who wins a 12 round title fight between them for the real Undisputed crown?

[N/A]

No, actually the things are not black and white. Fury won, but the victory was disgraceful. Usyk lost, but the circumstances, the propaganda and his overall behaviour were in his favour, so many people don't question his theatre (faking a legit punch as a low one and having a corrupt referee to save him) and he fought more convincingly. What he had were two fights: one lost until the fifth round and one after the fifth which he won.

Dubois will probably win. You know in fighting, especially the heavyweight divisions, the triangle theories don't work.

[TMLT87]

Real HW undisputed is Ngannou/Jones in MMA now.

[N/A]

Real HW undisputed is Ngannou/Jones in MMA now.

Joke Jones was avoiding him *hitless for two years. Even faked an injury in order to avoid a 41-year-old past his prime fighter.

[TMLT87]

Joke Jones was avoiding him *hitless for two years. Even faked an injury in order to avoid a 41-year-old past his prime fighter.

We will never know. Jones made easy work of Gane though compared to Ngannou.

The Pavlovich/Aspinall winner would have been an interesting fight for Ngannou too. Unfortunately hes probably gone from MMA forever after this. Instead we get probably a year of inactivity from both him and Fury, then a rematch.

[N/A]

We will never know. Jones made easy work of Gane though compared to Ngannou.

The Pavlovich/Aspinall winner would have been an interesting fight for Ngannou too. Unfortunately hes probably gone from MMA forever after this. Instead we get probably a year of inactivity from both him and Fury, then a rematch.

I suppose Ngannou will not be fighting in MMA anymore as well. He did his best there, I can't say he was really great, because he was roided as a monster and didn't face the best in the game, which wasn't his fault however. But anyway, he was a good MMA fighter, with plenty of limitations.

What I hope is that Fury-Usyk happens, then they have their rematch and Fury gives Ngannou one, which will waste more of Fury's time, as in order to improve his resume, he must face and beat at least two top fighters before retiring and that if he wins over Usyk. If he doesn't, his chances of leaving a good resume will require him twice as many top fights for which he will probably won't have the time because he destroyed his body with his lifestyle and by his 38-39th birthday will be old for top performances. We'll see...

[F!x]

I suppose Ngannou will not be fighting in MMA anymore as well. He did his best there, I can't say he was really great, because he was roided as a monster and didn't face the best in the game, which wasn't his fault however. But anyway, he was a good MMA fighter, with plenty of limitations.

What I hope is that Fury-Usyk happens, then they have their rematch and Fury gives Ngannou one, which will waste more of Fury's time, as in order to improve his resume, he must face and beat at least two top fighters before retiring and that if he wins over Usyk. If he doesn't, his chances of leaving a good resume will require him twice as many top fights for which he will probably won't have the time because he destroyed his body with his lifestyle and by his 38-39th birthday will be old for top performances. We'll see...

Fury vs Usyk is a fight between 2 fake champions now. The belts should have all rightfully changed hands this year. It's still an interesting match up but it's really just two top 10 guys fighting each other. The "Undisputed" accolade is fake and meaningless for that particular fight and it shouldn't even be a title fight now.

[N/A]

Fury vs Usyk is a fight between 2 fake champions now. The belts should have all rightfully changed hands this year. It's still an interesting match up but it's really just two top 10 guys fighting each other. The "Undisputed" accolade is fake and meaningless for that particular fight and it shouldn't even be a title fight now.

Undisputed and lineal means nothing, I agree. What matters is only the quality of your opposition. What I disagree with is that Fury lost - he ****** hard, that's for sure, but got a close victory. While Usyk lost. But even if we agree they both lost, they must fight.

[F!x]

Undisputed and lineal means nothing, I agree. What matters is only the quality of your opposition. What I disagree with is that Fury lost - he ****** hard, that's for sure, but got a close victory. While Usyk lost. But even if we agree they both lost, they must fight.

Fury only won 3 rounds. Ngannou won that by a landslide. I can't award Fury points for flicking out feints, running and trying to bear hug for most of the fight. Barely landed any clean, effective punches. He seemed terrified in there. Could have easily been disqualified for an intentional elbow too. And there was a second knockdown which wasn't counted in the 6th or 7th round for Ngannou. Even Fury's team knew he lost that. In between one of the late rounds Andy Lee asks Fury "are you alright Tyson". Thoughts about throwing in the towel might have been crossing their mind because of how poorly Fury was performing and how scared he appeared to be.

[pollywog]

Dubois is pooh!