Comments Thread For: Hearn: A Complete Novice Beat Tyson Fury, Ngannou Won That Fight, Forget Fury-Usyk!

[Toffee]

I would like for those two to run it back but we all know that will never happen because obviously Tyson Fury is on the decline and Warren and Arum would not have none of it.

Fury beats Ngannou comfortably if he takes that fight.

But it's too shameful to do. He shouldn't need to give a rematch to a first time boxer. It's embarrassing that he needs two attempts to do it.

I suspect Fury and his team will do what they always do. They'll just rewrite history. They'll say that Ngannou is a great fighter and Fury once again proved what a champion he is by rising from the canvas to win.

He'll try to turn this into a great victory, just wait and see.

[Jab jab boom]

It does put him back in the mix.

Their best days are behind all of them. But their biggest fights may not be.

Fury marketed himself as unbeatable. He claimed he was levels above AJ because AJ lost to a middleweight and a fat lad. And you all went for that.

Mind you, he (and his fans) completely disregarded his own shortcomings. He and they disregarded that he was awful against a Wallin who had never fought anywhere near world level. That he hadn't really consistently campaigned at World Level himself except against the same already beaten fighter. That he was inactive and prone to blowing up in-between fights.

Then Fury got beaten up by a 37 year old debutant. Francis might have looked better than expected, but let's not overplay what he is. He's a 37 year old debutant.

You're supposed to beat MMA guys. That's why Jake Paul keeps fighting them.

After Dubois (Usyk) , Ruiz (Joshua) and now Ngannou (Fury) - they've all now got question marks against their resume. No-one is unbeatable. Styles make fights. You have to bring your best to the big fights.

They actually have to prove who is the best of the era. Standing aside and watching another guy get humbled isn't enough to elevate you to greatness. You have to actually PROVE it against those fighters.

I understand what you’re saying but don’t fully agree. Aj has multiple question marks against his resume. Not just 1, and his span several years now. It’s not just 1 performance that anyone might chalk up to a bad night or not taking an opponent seriously. I agree that Fury and Usyk need to prove who’s the best between the two of them, but don’t think beating Aj is a prerequisite to greatness. This winner of Fury and Usyk will be considered the best hw of this era regardless of what happened yesterday and regardless of Aj.

[Toffee]

I understand what you’re saying but don’t fully agree. Aj has multiple question marks against his resume. Not just 1, and his span several years now. It’s not just 1 performance that anyone might chalk up to a bad night or not taking an opponent seriously. I agree that Fury and Usyk need to prove who’s the best between the two of them, but don’t think beating Aj is a prerequisite to greatness. This winner of Fury and Usyk will be considered the best hw of this era regardless of what happened yesterday and regardless of Aj.

I don't see that many question marks on Joshua's resume. I see a comfortably avenged defeat, and a comprehensive double defeat against one of the best in the division. Other than that, it's the best resume in the division. But that's all just my opinion. Very subjective.

I don't think anyone can't see the question marks over Fury's resume now. This was a huge dent in his claims of greatness.

I think a reasonably consensus opinion is that Usyk beats Joshua far more often than not. I believe the same for Fury over Wilder. I'm confident in both of those opinions because I've seen them fight.

I always thought that might be the case. Usyk was a terrible style matchup for Joshua. Likewise I thought even returning Fury was a bad stylistic pick by Wilder.

But I've always thought, and continue to think, that Joshua is well suited for Fury. I also think Wilder (without inactivity) would be terrible matchup for Usyk. Usyk and Fury I really can't pick how that would go. And Joshua v Wilder has always been 50/50 for me.

Joshua v Usyk and Fury v Wilder weren't semi finals. They were matchups that got made for different reasons.

If these guys would just fight each other more regularly we'd be able to fill in the gaps

[Stuntman Mike]

Fury beats Ngannou comfortably if he takes that fight.

But it's too shameful to do. He shouldn't need to give a rematch to a first time boxer. It's embarrassing that he needs two attempts to do it.

I suspect Fury and his team will do what they always do. They'll just rewrite history. They'll say that Ngannou is a great fighter and Fury once again proved what a champion he is by rising from the canvas to win.

He'll try to turn this into a great victory, just wait and see.

Yeah you're right but to say Fury would beat ngannou when another training camp with tyson would make ngannou better

Fury is nothing without clinches and can't deal with counters

Fury never saw ngannous left hook and ngannous body work did some serious damage to Fury he's just good at hiding when he's hurt

[Sammy7861992]

IV said this before , all fury done was beat two old men in Klitschko and wilder and when in hiding and avoided guys and faught guys who were on the way out , he was never any great guy , clumsy giant with poor technique and was always there to be hit , people acting like he dominates, he always came out of fights busted up , plenty alot better then him before who ended top fighters streaks buster Douglas , he is more Danny Williams level of even , but the difference is Danny Williams took on compitition after beating Mike Tyson while fury hid scared and waiting for guys to have no punch resistance, he will be dominated by usyk, the way jumps in with punches any guy who can counter will kill him , he made sure to pick fighters that can't counter for the life of them

[PunchyPotorff]

And so we see hearn, yet again gasping for attention... while exuding so much hot air.
Rinse and repeat.

[Apollo7]

Well Fury was ridiculing Hearn saying things like "Joshua was stopped by a fat man" "Hearn's stable is down the toilet" etc.

If you're gonna dish it out, you gotta expect to get the same thing back.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Great post, I think Fury overlooked Francis, and the proof of it is they are supposed to fight Usyk 6 weeks later.

They didn't see N Gannou as a fight that could be competitive.Fury ended up in a fight and was not ready for a true fight.

Fury was arrogant and deserve the back clash.

Also, saying N'gannou won is annoying.
N'gannou still needed to win 5 rounds to get the win, it didn't happened at all Hearn knows that and is being a dlck.

Hearn should not throw the sport under the bus even if it's not his fault that Fury
looked garbage.

I think N'gannou loses to most elite HW. People will now be aware of what he can do or cannot.

Hearn seems to be more in a hurry to make AJ vs Francis than AJ vs Wilder lol

I don't think Fury has overlooked Ngannou, I just think his true form has been unearthed potentially

Outside of his wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder Fury has barely fought at World level.

Beating fighters such as Whyte and a semi-retired Chisora? Who were also stylistically easy match ups for him, those performances did not really prove that he is miles better than all other Heavyweights.

Anthony Joshua would not drop a single round vs Whyte or Chisora if they ever fought at this stage of their careers.

Boxing is show business, there is a story and theme now with Ngannou 'Ngannou vs Joshua has some meaning now beyond it just being a cross over fight'.

I am not sure how last nights fights effects Fury vs Uysk? I have been one of the few individuals who was not accepted that the fight was agreed 100%.

In my recent posts, I even critiqued Tyson Fury's manager who has appeared out of nowhere 'Since when has Tyson Fury had a manager? It was this man who released a interview stating that the fight was 100% agreed, not Warren or anyone else'.

I have never seen this man before involved in any of Tyson Fury's big fights.

Tyson Fury managers himself, all the people that surround him are just front men etc.

[BillyBoxing]

I don't think Fury has overlooked Ngannou, I just think his true form has been unearthed potentially

Outside of his wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder Fury has barely fought at World level.

Beating fighters such as Whyte and a semi-retired Chisora? Who were also stylistically easy match ups for him, those performances did not really prove that he is miles better than all other Heavyweights.

Anthony Joshua would not drop a single round vs Whyte or Chisora if they ever fought at this stage of their careers.

Boxing is show business, there is a story and theme now with Ngannou 'Ngannou vs Joshua has some meaning now beyond it just being a cross over fight'.

I am not sure how last nights fights effects Fury vs Uysk? I have been one of the few individuals who was not accepted that the fight was agreed 100%.

In my recent posts, I even critiqued Tyson Fury's manager who has appeared out of nowhere 'Since when has Tyson Fury had a manager? It was this man who released a interview stating that the fight was 100% agreed, not Warren or anyone else'.

I have never seen this man before involved in any of Tyson Fury's big fights.

Tyson Fury managers himself, all the people that surround him are just front men etc.

Now all of a sudden AJ is the truth, AJ is 2-3 vs top HW, Fury is 3-1-0.

Chisora was not semi retired in the first 2 fights, Fury fought him 3 Times.

Wlad, Wilder and Chisora have different styles.


Fury showed he can fight elite in 4 fights, wich is more than many top fighters in boxing.Wlad was the man. Wilder is a killer. And I think 3 fights vs him took a lot out of Fury, this and beers and drugs...

That being said, we didn't see Fury vs a lot of different styles. Agreed
But he faced dangerous guys multiple times.

If AJ fight N'gannou, good for Fury, he can fight the winner for saudian money. AT the end of the day Fury is still undefeated and Francis is 0-1.

Fury just need to swallow that the Gipsy king looked crap vs a MMA guy and go forward.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Now all of a sudden AJ is the truth, AJ is 2-3 vs top HW, Fury is 3-1-0.

Chisora was not semi retired in the first 2 fights, Fury fought him 3 Times.

Wlad, Wilder and Chisora have different styles.


Fury showed he can fight elite in 4 fights, wich is more than many top fighters in boxing.Wlad was the man. Wilder is a killer. And I think 3 fights vs him took a lot out of Fury, this and beers and drugs...

That being said, we didn't see Fury vs a lot of different styles. Agreed
But he faced dangerous guys multiple times.

If AJ fight N'gannou, good for Fury, he can fight the winner for saudian money. AT the end of the day Fury is still undefeated and Francis is 0-1.

Fury just need to swallow that the Gipsy king looked crap vs a MMA guy and go forward.

Chisora even at his peak was a solid level World Heavyweight 'Even still Chisora was stylistically a easy fight for Tyson Fury, why do people act as if his performances vs Chisora are all time great wins? Tyson Fury did what he was supposed to do vs Chisora as a so call great Super Heavyweight fighter'.

Lennox Lewis beat David Tua over 12 rounds, 12-0, who was a more powerful and dangerous fighter than Chisora 'Lewis did what he as supposed to do as a great Super Heavyweight vs David Tua'.

David Haye was a 6"3 210 pound Heavyweight, and he decked and knocked-out Derek Chisora inside 5 rounds 'Haye win over Chisora is more impressive than any of Fury's performances vs Chisora. David Haye was the first Heavyweight to meet Chisora head on and cancel out his momentum'.

The version of Derek Chisora who fought Fury in their 3rd fight was semi-retried, and Fury still refused to fight him head on and struggled to decked him or legitimately knock him out 'I was one of the first people to highlight that performance of Fury's, and state that his hardcore fans should be concerned with his actual true fighting form'.

Deontay Wilder is a dangerous fighter, but really? Wilder is not a great boxer, and also Fury out weighed him by 40 + pounds on average 'That is another fight which Fury has fought in that stylistically I regard as a easier fight than other top level Heavyweights such as Joshua'.

Apart from Wilder's power, what actually does Deontay Wilder do better or equal to Tyson Fury skill for skill? Nothing much 'But that is no disrespect to Deontay Wilder because I do rate him very highly as a fighter within this era of Heavyweights'.

Note: Overall mate, I believe Fury's behavior as a Champion was unearth last night 'Fury outside of Kiltschko & Wilder has barely fought at World level, and at some point that level of performance and competition will unearth itself inside the boxing ring' etc.