Comments Thread For: Hearn: A Complete Novice Beat Tyson Fury, Ngannou Won That Fight, Forget Fury-Usyk!

[BillyBoxing]

Chisora even at his peak was a solid level World Heavyweight 'Even still Chisora was stylistically a easy fight for Tyson Fury, why do people act as if his performances vs Chisora are all time great wins? Tyson Fury did what he was supposed to do vs Chisora as a so call great Super Heavyweight fighter'.

Lennox Lewis beat David Tua over 12 rounds, 12-0, who was a more powerful and dangerous fighter than Chisora 'Lewis did what he as supposed to do as a great Super Heavyweight vs David Tua'.

David Haye was a 6"3 210 pound Heavyweight, and he decked and knocked-out Derek Chisora inside 5 rounds 'Haye win over Chisora is more impressive than any of Fury's performances vs Chisora. David Haye was the first Heavyweight to meet Chisora head on and cancel out his momentum'.

The version of Derek Chisora who fought Fury in their 3rd fight was semi-retried, and Fury still refused to fight him head on and struggled to decked him or legitimately knock him out 'I was one of the first people to highlight that performance of Fury's, and state that his hardcore fans should be concerned with his actual true fighting form'.

Deontay Wilder is a dangerous fighter, but really? Wilder is not a great boxer, and also Fury out weighed him by 40 + pounds on average 'That is another fight which Fury has fought in that stylistically I regard as a easier fight than other top level Heavyweights such as Joshua'.

Apart from Wilder's power, what actually does Deontay Wilder do better or equal to Tyson Fury skill for skill? Nothing much 'But that is no disrespect to Deontay Wilder because I do rate him very highly as a fighter within this era of Heavyweights'.

Note: Overall mate, I believe Fury's behavior as a Champion was unearth last night 'Fury outside of Kiltschko & Wilder has barely fought at World level, and at some point that level of performance and competition will unearth itself inside the boxing ring' etc.

I agree, your making sense.

BUT, it's also obvious Fury and his team overlooked N'Gannou, why?

Because they agreed to fight N'gannou 8 weeks before a mega fight for undisputed HW title.

It's just tells you Fury and his team saw him as an easy tune up, a fight where he won't have to dig deep and need recovery time.


What if Fury got hurt?

Do you think they would have fought Wilder 4 last night?? Hell no.

We'll see what happens for both next.

[KP1]

Why isn’t Hearn allowed to revel in this ?

He and AJ have taken loads of ridicule from Fury and Warren for far less embarrassing incidents than this.

Then there’s the ultra fickle fans, if people can’t take it they shouldn’t be dishing it out.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree, your making sense.

BUT, it's also obvious Fury and his team overlooked N'Gannou, why?

Because they agreed to fight N'gannou 8 weeks before a mega fight for undisputed HW title.

It's just tells you Fury and his team saw him as an easy tune up, a fight where he won't have to dig deep and need recovery time.


What if Fury got hurt?

Do you think they would have fought Wilder 4 last night?? Hell no.

We'll see what happens for both next.

I don't think Fury overlooked Ngannou in terms of training. But? On some level Fury most likely believed 'I just have to turn up and play around with this guy and then blast him out'.

Even if Fury did have this attitude? He should of won the fight many times more impressively than he did 'If he was this monster fighter his hardcore fans claim him to be'.

When Mike Tyson came out of jail, and was scheduled to fight, McNeeley, Mathis, Seldon.

Do you think Mike Tyson was training with the attitude were? He would be intimidated by their abilities? No.

Mike Tyson most likely believed all he needed to do was get himself in physical condition, then beat those guys up 'And that is what Mike Tyson did'.

Note: Tyson Fury is not a great as his hardcore fans claim him to be, he does not have the statistics or the individual performances which prove that his is miles better than all other top level Heavyweights 'And he is not sitting at the same table in terms of greatness, as the most recent all-time great fighters like Floyd Mayweather Junior and Manny Pacquaio. But this is precisely the type of fighter his hardcore fans, claim that he is'.

Wladimir Kiltschko, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Viatli Kiltschko, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Rocky Marcinao, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, Evander Holyfield, Larry Holmes, Jack Johnson, possible even Rid**** Bowe were overall all greater Heavyweight Champions than Tyson Fury to date.

Tyson Fury got checked last night, his hardcore fans have also been checked 'And they will search for reasons, they will demean and dismiss other Heavyweights in a attempt to deflect and protect Tyson Fury. But this will just make things worst for themselves, as loyal hardcore fans'.

You have to critical to a certain extent of your fighter, that is how you show that? You really care.

Tyson Fury has not been fighting at a high level for a large majority of his career, now I am not claiming that Fury has been fighting at a super low level 'But most of his fights outside of Kiltschko and Wilder, have ether been at domestic or High European level'.

And I believe that type of behavior as a fighter and Champion, unearthed itself last night 'Hardcore Fury fans, need to check themselves and pipe down about mythical head to head match ups that Fury has not fought in. Tyson Fury is the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, long as he has that title? There will be nowhere for him to hide, if Tyson Fury wants to be regarded as a all-time great Heavyweight Champion he has to take on all comers'.

Note: You are also making sense, and on some level Fury in terms of his attitude most likely overlooked Ngannou 'But I don't think he was complacent with his training and physical condition' etc.

[BillyBoxing]

I don't think Fury overlooked Ngannou in terms of training. But? On some level Fury most likely believed 'I just have to turn up and play around with this guy and then blast him out'.

Even if Fury did have this attitude? He should of won the fight many times more impressively than he did 'If he was this monster fighter his hardcore fans claim him to be'.

When Mike Tyson came out of jail, and was scheduled to fight, McNeeley, Mathis, Seldon.

Do you think Mike Tyson was training with the attitude were? He would be intimidated by their abilities? No.

Mike Tyson most likely believed all he needed to do was get himself in physical condition, then beat those guys up 'And that is what Mike Tyson did'.

Note: Tyson Fury is not a great as his hardcore fans claim him to be, he does not have the statistics or the individual performances which prove that his is miles better than all other top level Heavyweights 'And he is not sitting at the same table in terms of greatness, as the most recent all-time great fighters like Floyd Mayweather Junior and Manny Pacquaio. But this is precisely the type of fighter his hardcore fans, claim that he is'.

Wladimir Kiltschko, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Viatli Kiltschko, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Rocky Marcinao, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, Evander Holyfield, Larry Holmes, Jack Johnson were overall a greater Heavyweight Champions than Tyson Fury to date.

Tyson Fury got checked last night, his hardcore fans have also been checked 'And they will search for reasons, they will demean and dismiss other Heavyweights in a attempt to deflect and protect Tyson Fury. But this will just make things worst for themselves, as loyal hardcore fans'.

You have to critical to a certain extent of your fighter, that is how you show that? You really care.

Tyson Fury has not been fighting at a high level for a large majority of his career, now I am not claiming that Fury has been fighting at a super low level 'But most of his fights outside of Kiltschko and Wilder, have ether been at domestic or High European level'.

And I believe that type of behavior as a fighter and Champion, unearthed itself last night 'Hardcore Fury fans, need to check themselves and pipe down about mythical head to head match ups that Fury has not fought in. Tyson Fury is the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, long as he has that title? There will be nowhere for him to hide, if Tyson Fury wants to be regarded as a all-time great Heavyweight Champion he has to take on all comers'.

Note: You are also making sense, and on some level Fury in terms of his attitude most likely overlooked Ngannou 'But I don't think he was complacent with his training and physical condition' etc.

Agreed, Fury trained IMO, videos of him training lately are everywhere.

It's just they thought Francis would be easy, it's the kiss of death in combat sport.

They would not sign to fight Zhang 8 weeks before Usyk.
Because they respect him.

They didn't respect N'gannou, now they do.

I think they will rematch, the money will be there due to controversy. Scénario is good for Fury business wise.

Fury is a Maniac and wanted to rematch Wilder to death After the draw.

If Fury doesn't go for rematch, it means dude has Lost it.

[Echo Falls]

If you look through this forum, you will see some hardcore Fury fans still trying to tactical protect Tyson Fury and demean other top level Heavyweights 'Making the claims that Ngannou would wreck many other top level Heavyweights, which is in part nonsense'.

Tonight's fight says more about Tyson Fury's true form, than any other Top level Heavyweight.

Tyson Fury outside of his wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder has barely fought at World level 'And that type of behavior as a fighter and Champion, will at some point unearth itself' I believe potentially that is what has happened tonight'.

There is no evidence that Ngannou would wreck any other top level Heavyweights in the game 'But the man deserves credit for his performance'.

Anthony Joshua is a better boxer miles more proven fighter than Ngannou at World level, and unlike Tyson Fury? The boxing World knows the level of Joshua. 'Joshua not so long ago fought in two competitive fights back to back vs Usyk. There is no doubt that Anthony Joshua skill for skill is a very capable boxer'.

Joshua in comparison to Fury is also objectively a more experienced fighter at fighting at World and elite level, stylistically Joshua always has been a potentially difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'As it is well known that once upon a time ? Fury & Wilder both fought each other to avoid Joshua. Because they both regarded each other as the stylistically easier match up'.

I still rate Fury on merit as the number one Heavyweight, because he has the two best wins on his resume in terms of historical magnitude 'But Fury's true boxing form at World or Elite level since the Wilder trilogy is unknown. Tyson Fury tonight fought a fighter in Ngannou who was competing in his first ever boxing match, Fury was decked and pushed in a competitive 12 round fight' etc.

This. 100%. Great post.

[Phase III]

Fury is a complete clown and his ops man is the ring leader. What an embarrassment losing to a novice making his pro debut.

[Phase III]

Saudis, who are whitewashing their horrible record on human rights are getting scammed with Fury and AJ. Their leader MBS killed reporter Khashoggi's and these athletes like Fury, Ronaldo, and AJ could give a F as long as they line their pockets with blood money.

[Jsrr]

I doubt Fury vs Usyk happens.
You could just tell Fury's ego was hurt in the interviews after the fight yesterday. He's clearly not used to it, doesn't like it and I am sure he knows he won't be able to mentally handle the ridicule if he were to loose to Usyk.
Francis was a sure thing. Fury knew it, the whole world knew it, but look at what happened.