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  • IMDAZED
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    #81
    Originally posted by lparm
    I agree he is a ww no doubt which is why many question why he doesn't fight true wws and not smaller guys from jww and lw moving up at a disadvantage. I figure it's because he doesn't have the power to hurt real ww which it's proven he doesn't.
    Regardless, he has to fight them. He didn't really do that in his first go around. And he's started the second one the same way. hell, even Roy Jones fought light heavy contenders right out the gate. Time to get a move on.

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    • Al Haymon
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      #82
      Originally posted by koboy
      I'm just proving that Floyd has lost his balls, thus the lesser quali of opposition and even lesser risk of going for the knockout which made the TS think that Floyd doesn't have power at 147.
      Oh, trust me. I know what you were trying t say with your straw man argument. I just don't think it has the validity that you think it did.

      What you attempted to do was position it as "JLC spooked Floyd to the extent that he never wanted to engage again". If that is your argument, then why would he get an immediate rematch? Please explain/

      What you guys are failing to notice is that Floyd is taking the biggest paydays. Period. It is no coincidence that he has become the biggest earner in the sport. The sad reality is that the biggest challenges are guys who can't draw flies. That is BOXING's fault. not Floyd's. You may not like his paper chase, i may not like it, but he told you what it is, and he is on that hustle.

      Don't you think there were easier fights than Delahoya at 154? Seriously.

      Floyd started doing three years ago what Shane is doing NOW. True story.

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      • larry x
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        #83
        floyd doesnt depend on power to win his fights

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        • dsyef
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          #84
          Originally posted by inferno
          The only thing stopping Mayweather from showing his power, is his fear of hurting his hands more seriously than he has already. That was the real reason behind his "retirement". Sure, brawls are more exciting to the casual observer, but a technical deconstruction of an opponent is far more exciting for me. Anyone can throw wild shots and end up catching someone and knocking them out...but it takes real skill to avoid your opponents punches while landing when ever you feel like it.
          Same problem Clottey and Cotto have had, but their not making any excuses.
          Mayweather uses the best protective gloves out there. Maybe that affects his power, but if you got it you got it. All fighters got their issues at one time or another.

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          • inferno
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            #85
            Originally posted by Al Haymon
            Oh, trust me. I know what you were trying t say with your straw man argument. I just don't think it has the validity that you think it did.

            What you attempted to do was position it as "JLC spooked Floyd to the extent that he never wanted to engage again". If that is your argument, then why would he get an immediate rematch? Please explain/

            What you guys are failing to notice is that Floyd is taking the biggest paydays. Period. It is no coincidence that he has become the biggest earner in the sport. The sad reality is that the biggest challenges are guys who can't draw flies. That is BOXING's fault. not Floyd's. You may not like his paper chase, i may not like it, but he told you what it is, and he is on that hustle.

            Don't you think there were easier fights than Delahoya at 154? Seriously.

            Floyd started doing three years ago what Shane is doing NOW. True story.
            Thank you...it isn't that he is afraid of the competition...but why would you take a paycut so that the boxing "purists" get to see what they want to see? If Cotto-Pacquiao doesn't outsell the Mayweather-JMM fight, then it will be no doubt who the current biggest draw in boxing is right now to the casual fan. To sell that much after an almost two year absence tells you about his draw power and why it would be difficult to take a paycut and a harder fight at the same time. Would you take a paycut to do more work at your job?

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            • Al Haymon
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              #86
              Originally posted by IMDAZED
              Regardless, he has to fight them. He didn't really do that in his first go around. And he's started the second one the same way. hell, even Roy Jones fought light heavy contenders right out the gate. Time to get a move on.
              No. Please keep it real. When roy was on his comeback path, he fought Prince Osama bin Laden in North Dakota. Hopkins ius fighting Enrique Iglesias.

              Regardless of how "Numero Uno" was marketed, or what you paid for it, it was a tune-up. Floyd wanted to see, and we ALL wanted to see, what he had left.

              If Floyd came back and had a "Kevin Howard moment", that would have been embarrassing and ****** on his part. And, in truth, I prefer to see mayweather-marquez than mayweather-cardona.

              So, I wasn't mad at the tune-up.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Al Haymon
                What does that have to do with weight? We are talking about weight.
                If you go up in weight cuz you can make a certain weight limit. But, the weight you gaining is diminishing your skills. Then yes you are blown-up. But, if you moving up weight and you keeping your best attributes. It means you are at your more natural weight. What skills has been diminished in Floyd cuz the move up in weight? And, he can't make 140. So he is at his most natural weight. And, he is a true WW. Do you consider Pac a blown-up SFW?

                Another example. B-Hop is a true LHW. When he fought Pavlik B-Hop was a true LHW. Pavlik in the other hand was a blown up MW. The lil skills that Pavlik has diminished cuz of the weight. Yes some B-Hop skills has been diminished. But, it was more to do with age than weight.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Al Haymon
                  No. Please keep it real. When roy was on his comeback path, he fought Prince Osama bin Laden in North Dakota. Hopkins ius fighting Enrique Iglesias.

                  Regardless of how "Numero Uno" was marketed, or what you paid for it, it was a tune-up. Floyd wanted to see, and we ALL wanted to see, what he had left.

                  If Floyd came back and had a "Kevin Howard moment", that would have been embarrassing and ****** on his part. And, in truth, I prefer to see mayweather-marquez than mayweather-cardona.

                  So, I wasn't mad at the tune-up.
                  I'm referring to prime Roy. The one who moved to LHW.

                  And actually, for the record, Roy didn't come back to fight Prince Badi Ajamu, he took a year and a half layoff, came back and fought TARVER.

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                  • lparm
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by inferno
                    Thank you...it isn't that he is afraid of the competition...but why would you take a paycut so that the boxing "purists" get to see what they want to see? If Cotto-Pacquiao doesn't outsell the Mayweather-JMM fight, then it will be no doubt who the current biggest draw in boxing is right now to the casual fan. To sell that much after an almost two year absence tells you about his draw power and why it would be difficult to take a paycut and a harder fight at the same time. Would you take a paycut to do more work at your job?
                    If they offer the phillipines the same rebate Tecate did to sell the Floyd fight you'd see some big numbers for Manny. Why pay $55 when you can get it for $25.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by inferno
                      Thank you...it isn't that he is afraid of the competition...but why would you take a paycut so that the boxing "purists" get to see what they want to see? If Cotto-Pacquiao doesn't outsell the Mayweather-JMM fight, then it will be no doubt who the current biggest draw in boxing is right now to the casual fan. To sell that much after an almost two year absence tells you about his draw power and why it would be difficult to take a paycut and a harder fight at the same time. Would you take a paycut to do more work at your job?
                      But, he has been taking the easier road before he was a big superstar. So me he is afraid of lossing that '0'

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